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May 22, 2011 10:08:12 GMT
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I called on Lewis, as I know he is a quiet font of knowlege due to where he works. BUT I KNOW MANY PEOPLE HERE KNOW LOADS. I want to remove the Wendy house in the rear by the garage and replace it with a brick built or concrete post and slab construction..... I have about 10' x 9' total floorspace to use, need to create a bit of foundation/floor space, bigger than what is there now. The right side wall, and rear wall's first 3' will butt up against the raised gardens "retaining wall" and I may put some insulation/waterproofing in there. The plan is to use the room as a woodwork room in winter etc. I can get mains power or extension lead power to it. Heaters will do the heating, and a thick jumper should help too. I know one can go to 4meter without planning permission for a shed (at least have been told that) but probably would be happy with a ceiling height of up to 9', so total structure with a felt covered roof should fit inside 10' height. The doors will be a pair of wooden interior french doors that came out of the house, and once the car port goes up later, it will overhang the shed by up to 2' giving the doors enough weather protection. Now my questions are around cost/efficiency/overkill etc.....I can get a guy in to do a blockwork room with the double door frame and roof trusses bricked in, then fit the roof and doors myself, and get a plasterer to plaster both interior and exterior to waterproof it a bit. Planting a bunch of posts and slotting a load of cement panels in in the other hand is an easy enough job for us to do. The question though, keeping in mind we plan to grow old in this house would be more along the lines of whether a panel walled "shed" or brick block built one is the better option. This is the space..... Thanks for all your help and advice. Any tips on cost containment also gladly received.
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Last Edit: May 22, 2011 10:12:10 GMT by grizz
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May 22, 2011 13:43:32 GMT
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a few rambling ideas, first clear the area so you know exactly what you are dealing with, and can get the base completely flat and not have any unsuspected surprises such as an old well (don't ask me about that) an idea for materials could be a scan of gumtree,ebay,free ads etc for a used sectional garage as often they are free or very cheap to take away just be wary of possible asbestos roofing, also before you get to carried away have a look at you local council website and check the regulations for sheds etc ttfn glenn
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May 22, 2011 19:25:23 GMT
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Grizz First, thanks for thinking of me Secondly, the choice (in my mind) between timber or brick. Well, you already know what my personal preference is, but I would suggest doing a pro's and con's list. Timber Pro's Easy to DIY Saves cost of getting a 'man' in Good thermal insulation for winter Timber Con's Less durable in the long run than brick Less resistant to fire (god forbid) Masonry Pro's Better fire resistance Better durability in the long run Better sound insulation (although windows and door dominate perforance) Masonry Con's Not very good thermally (assuming single skin construction) Increased cost (due to required 'man') Personally I wouldn't go for a post and slab concrete job. Difficult to create openings, junction gaps allowing cold/water etc, think of the carbons With the retaining walls butting up to the building, bricks and blocks are probably the best bet all round. For waterproofing, you can get paint on systems (bitumen) as well as tanking membranes etc which should keep the damp out. I would suggest having a crack at the brick/block laying yourself. Patience, a spirit level and string line will help you get it up plumb and true. Might be worth looking on freecycle or locally to see if you can blag any materials. I got 120 concrete blocks and about 100 bricks free from a friend which were left over from a job. Just paid him in beer (so not free I guess). I would be happy to do you some drawings, designs or whatever etc. Also happy to design the roof trusses for you instead/too if you needed any of that. As for planning. Technically if you build within 1m of your boundary you would need planning permission. Having said that it would be easy to 'get away' with it if you neighbours are friendly and hedges hide it away. Check out this link for an interactive planning portal guide to permitted development rights. www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/houseAnywho, have a gander and as said, rip out what is there and then see what you have to work with. I can give some guidance on foundations etc as well if need be. Lewis
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May 22, 2011 19:28:32 GMT
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May 22, 2011 20:16:54 GMT
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May 22, 2011 20:27:19 GMT
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Thanks Glen and Lewis,
I wanted the block route to win, if it were to be timber, Oak would be the way, clearly that won't be happening though.
Lewis, I suspect you will be getting a PM with mobile number and pvt email address some time.
In the mean time I will take a look at the links.
I would think, based on the stuff I have made and built in the past (incl Grizz-Pod) that it should be within my scope of ability.
Thanks for the offers of help.
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May 23, 2011 10:12:40 GMT
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Right...... I am sure I can figure this all out by myself, but some people are quicker and have a magic formula. Lewis, not sure if you do have the magic formula, but here goes. It is mainly to get an idea of what I will be needing wrt blocks and mortar. The external dimensions will max out at 9' x 10' and I want to roof to be max 10' high, so interior should be about 9' - ish I have a pair of French doors from a wall I took down inside, but they are solid wood, and what will be used, in order to maximise light inside. The plan is not to add any windows to the three remaining walls, but possibly to add a 4 foot wide by about 7 foot tall sheet of glass to the roof to maximise natural light over the woodworking and turning bench. Mickey, my neighbour said he could get me a sheet or two of glass from an office clearance..... lets hope he can deliver ;D My question to the mathematicians on here is: How many concrete blocks would I look at using in building the 10x10x9 foot cube ? Keeping in mind there is a 5 foot wide French door and frame at about 80 inches tall ?? The roof will be flat with felt covering so that is is not too intrusive visually for the neighbour. So straight trusses cemented in place and boarded over will be the answer. Now to the reason I have asked this....... Mickey was offered a bunch of pallets of unused concrete blocks in Sheffield last week, free to take away, so if he goes up there on a delivery job, I could pay him for goodwill and get the blocks down here "free" cutting the overall cost of the shed even further.
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Last Edit: Jun 11, 2011 10:06:11 GMT by grizz
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May 23, 2011 16:27:24 GMT
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Don't do a totally flat roof, you will regret it as it will leak, work on a minimum fall of 1 in 60 - you can by pieces of timber already cut to this in most builders merchants (called firrings but i've probably spelt that wrong). Putting insulation into the roof will help with warmth as well, jablite (polystyrene) or kingspan are both easier to deal with than rock wool, just don't push it right up to the top - leave an airgap.
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May 23, 2011 17:57:07 GMT
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Well here is the simple maths.
Blocks are 440 mm long and 215 mm tall, plus 10 mm coursings, so in total, blocks are 450x225 mm.
10feet = (ish) 3m, so 3000/450 = 6.6 (rounded to 7)
3000/225 = 13.3 (rounded to 13.5)
So for the front and rear walls, 13.5x7x2 = 189 blocks.
Side walls, 9feet = (ish) 2700 mm
2700/450 = 6
so 6x13.5x2 = 162
so if it were a cube with no openings, you would need 351 blocks.
Now we need to take out the doors.
5 feet = 1500 mm (ish)
80 inches = 6.7 feet (ish) = 2000 mm (ish).
1500/450 = 3.5 (ish) 2000/225 = 9 (ish)
so 3.5x9 = 32 blocks off the total for the door
So total blocks required (in theory) = 319 blocks
I would add on 5 - 10% for cutting, breaking and errors, so really you are back to 350 blocks with a few left over (hopefully).
Lewis
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May 23, 2011 19:50:59 GMT
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IIRC, it's 72 blocks per pallet, so that would be around 5 pallets I reckon!
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May 24, 2011 15:39:07 GMT
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if they are free... its a no brainer... just grab them, and having built block walls and pillars and having far less skills than yourself, you will easily be able to build it yourself, if the end result is not pleasing on the eye you can always clad or render it!
i will secon freecycle, if you are not e memeber sign up, as amongst the trash there are always great items, i have had kids swings, bikes, concrete blocks, greenhouse, plants, ladders, and many other things over the years... but giving is always good too! (infact when people have collected from me i have been given jars or homemade chutneys/jams and all sorts of things).
oh and don't forget we want a build thread...
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if they are free... its a no brainer... just grab them, and having built block walls and pillars and having far less skills than yourself, you will easily be able to build it yourself, if the end result is not pleasing on the eye you can always clad or render it! I will secon freecycle, if you are not e memeber sign up, as amongst the trash there are always great items, I have had kids swings, bikes, concrete blocks, greenhouse, plants, ladders, and many other things over the years... but giving is always good too! (infact when people have collected from me I have been given jars or homemade chutneys/jams and all sorts of things). oh and don't forget we want a build thread... Thanks mate, Yes, I am on Freecycle. Pickings have been slim lately, but still worth looking and responding to the odd thing I could use. I will use whatever I can to keep costs down, as it gives me a buzz knowing I have stashed a bit of cash for another job, or some luxury, like a wood lathe when the time comes etc.
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Right..... Some of you probably know, I will be back into a regular paid job from Monday. Soooooooo.... no more making stuff, building BBQ's etc. However, Nicola has told me to get on with it, and have a block built shed put up where the Wendy house was. This is so that I can have a dedicated woodwork room. The plan is to add a carport over part of the drive in front of the garage for bodywork and Teardrop trailer building when finances allow for it. Yes, you heard me right..... we are building another Teardrop trailer. If I could build a Grizz-Pod then another should be easy Errrmmm.... nope. It is for Hannah, Nicola's daughter who loves Cornwall and camping. She has a 1.0 liter Suzuki Alto, so lightweight and nimble is the brief. In the mean time, I would like to call on Lewist123456789 to help me with the planning as he is a bit OK on that front. I was planning to build it myself, but suspect it may become a paid for job, at least the blockwork will be done by a Pro. Started with this at 8.30am yesterday...... My mate Jon who was also made redundant in January had to MOT his Blackbird at 9am, after which he was coming to help me for a while. By 10.30 this was the situation, including a cuppa tea, thanks to Nicola keeping an eye on us. As always, Harley was there to help while moving the Wendy house, actually checking for mice and rats where the foundations were. 9 foot x 9 foot shed, front end will be where the galvanised beam is lying as a marker. Double French doors I took out the house in December will go into the front, no windows on the wals, as I want to maximise wall space. Plan is also to try get some glass sheets from office partitioning to use as a roof, heavy, but more natural light. Just to get perspective. I know it is greedy, but hey, we have probably got 20 plus year to go here..... so may as well get it sorted while we can, and then start to develop my woodworking and specifically "artistic wood turning" With the garage completely sorted out and being able to now walk in there in the dark to fetch stuff out, I thought it was the last big job..... ermmm, no, Nicola wants a small greenhouse behind the garage on the farmers land. Now to find some builders.
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Sept 3, 2011 15:15:34 GMT
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Hi mate. I will send you a PM tomorrow at some point.
Just off to s spit roast party (not like that!)
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Sept 10, 2011 4:25:15 GMT
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Hi mate. I will send you a PM tomorrow at some point. Just off to s spit roast party (not like that!) You have PM as well Lewis
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Sept 14, 2011 16:23:27 GMT
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Just a thought Rian, but what about using the 'free' blocks to build up from ground level a couple of feet (until you run out of free ones) then build in wood from then on? that way you can have the block covering the retaining wall junction and the improved insulation of a wooden top section.
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Sept 14, 2011 18:57:04 GMT
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Hi Rian
Was good the chat the other day. Sorry if I seemed slightly distracted. Holly, my daughter, was orbiting me like a small over-excited dog!
Lewis
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Sept 25, 2011 16:54:59 GMT
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paid work must be getting in the way of play!
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Sept 25, 2011 17:42:20 GMT
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paid work must be getting in the way of play! Not sure who the finger is getting pointed at Mark, but money is a good thing, by hook or by crook. Space now ready for the 8x10 shed being delivered on the 10th.
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Sept 25, 2011 17:52:57 GMT
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its all looking good... sometimes its better to pay for a job to be done than do it yourself, i have done the exact same thing with my driveway, we had sometravelling itinerant types in the area laying drives the quality of the work looked good, so got them to price my drive up... after knocking their quote in half we agreed a price, and it was done in 4 days!
The blocks alone would have cost me half what they charged, then i would have needed the skips, tools, hardcore, membrane, sand etc... and probably 3 weeks off work, so actually probably worked out cheaper, and looks a lot better than i could have achieved!
My next task is to insulate the garage, and turn it into a home gym... putting on two & half stone in 18 months is not a good thing!
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