psycho83
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Apr 30, 2011 12:33:52 GMT
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replaced my fuel line from the fuel pump to the carb this morning as the old one was corroded. started the car and all was well-ish (lumpy but running) for about a minute or two then it cut out. now it'll catch, fire a couple of times and die. accelerator pump is squirting fuel into the carb ok and everything else seems to be in order, no obvious air leaks and the vacuum seems to be ok. getting fed up with this now. can't even take it to anyone who knows more than me to sort it as I cant tow an auto. major mojo loss this weekend , expect to see a minx in te for sale section soon
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Last Edit: May 7, 2011 19:02:51 GMT by psycho83
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Apr 30, 2011 12:37:02 GMT
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excuse the odd question
does it have a rev counter? if so are you getting a normal signal from it or is it running all jumpy?
if its all over the place it can point to a condensor problem
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psycho83
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Apr 30, 2011 12:41:35 GMT
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nah no rev counter. it was running fairly jumpy when it started the first time.
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speedy88
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Apr 30, 2011 13:15:23 GMT
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hmm sounds like it's getting too much fuel to me. But I'm not too hot on carbs. Float heights correct?
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Apr 30, 2011 13:16:05 GMT
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What condition is the ignition system in? If you've got fuel at the carb then I'd look at ignition - did you check that the fuel pump is delivering fuel OK?
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psycho83
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Apr 30, 2011 13:21:40 GMT
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ignition system all looks to be in order. most of it looks fairly new. now going back out to have another tinker. fuel pump seems to be working fine.
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Apr 30, 2011 13:41:43 GMT
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Check the points. Mine used to randomly adjust themselves.
Tongue-in-cheek repair- grab a flatblade screwdriver- with the ignition off lift off the dizzy cap, rotate the engine by pulling it round on the fanbelt until the cam is pushing against the points at its maximum. Slacken the points off then adjust the chunkier screw so that the points juuuust grab a thin piece of cardboard, like a cigarette packet, but you can pull it out without it tearing. Tighten up the points, stick the cap back on and crank it over.
If that doesn't work then the condenser may be bad, if you've never changed it, get a new one. They are notorious failures.
If that gets it coughing and spluttering on the starter, the timing may just be way off. Easiest way to check is with a strobe lamp but you can set the static timing other ways.
That's what used to cause mine not to start, at least. Yours has a Zenith carb on it?
--Phil
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psycho83
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Apr 30, 2011 14:49:17 GMT
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It's a solex carb.
just had her started again, seems to be much easier from cold. got a video, as it was running for longer this time. thought it was hapy then curse word!
does the vid give any clues?
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psycho83
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Apr 30, 2011 14:49:48 GMT
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bazzateer
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Apr 30, 2011 14:58:18 GMT
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Snakeskin in the fuel-line? Common on Rootes cars.
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Apr 30, 2011 15:14:12 GMT
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You got muck in it somewhere. I agree with Bazzateer.
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psycho83
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Apr 30, 2011 16:47:25 GMT
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Cheers will re-check for muck, its def not between carb and mech pump, so it's either mech pump to tank or Carb itself this is my carb exploded, which bits to check 10/51/52 , anything else? ta folks
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Last Edit: Apr 30, 2011 16:48:24 GMT by psycho83
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psycho83
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gonna continue the muck hunt later on. any tips. if there is something between the tank and pump, how do I clear that, take it off and let it flow into a bucket for a bit?
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Check above the float valve in the carb - that corner can collect much which blocks the float valve intake at crucial moments.
The vid does sound a lot like it's gradually running leaner and leaner until it stops.
What's the output from the fuel pump like? Direct it into a fuel can and spin the engine over - the fuel should properly squirt out.I have come across a corroded diaphragm return spring in a fuel pump - it fractured and the pump simply didn't. In that case you could rev it quite hapily at idle but as soon as you put a load on it the power vanished.
To clean the fuel line out try blowing back along it with a foot pump.
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Could use a "turkey baster" or battery acid transfer thing, for the line from before pump to tank. I used one of these when * was blocking the pickup in the tank. Could prob have just blown with Mk.1 Human Mouth, but didn't fancy the taste of fuel.
If it is that, best take out the tank and clean it at the least. Possibly resin-seal it, if there's rust. Sudden cut-outs can cause rapid sense of humour failure.
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psycho83
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pump is squirting like a porn star, so it's not that. it's now starting easier but is still stalling out. I did notice that the choke seems to be moving itself now, so that won't help, but even when kept in place the engine still struggles to keep going.
The screw, number 34 on the diagram Float needle?, seems to be almost all the way out (so lean yeah?). it physically wobbles. I havn't touched it but it doesn't seem right to me. Tempted to screw it in but as it was running before the problems began and I havn't adjusted anything I don't wanna get myself in more of a muddle. Could do with a carb guide for this solex b33 so I know which screws are which
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Last Edit: May 1, 2011 20:06:44 GMT by psycho83
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The screw, number 34 on the diagram Float needle?, seems to be almost all the way out (so lean yeah?). it physically wobbles. I havn't touched it but it doesn't seem right to me. Tempted to screw it in but as it was running before the problems began and I havn't adjusted anything I don't wanna get myself in more of a muddle. Could do with a carb guide for this solex b33 so I know which screws are which The float valve is No. 10 in that diagram. However, read below before ripping the carb to bits... No, 34 is the idle volume screw - aka mixture screw. All the way out is "rich as feck". What colour are the plugs? If the plugs are black and sooty then screw that screw all the way in, just far enough to seat it - don't put any force on it to tighten it or you'll damage the taper seat - and 1.5 to 2 turns back out. That should get it running anyway. Double-check the ignition timing and start the engine. Let it warm up fully and turn the choke off. See if the idle speed is about right - it doesn't need to be precise, but if it's obiously too fast turn screw No. 44 anti clockwise until it's about right. Then adjust the mixture screw. It's not easy to do initially - until you know what you're listening for. Basically screw it out until the engine starts to sound rough, and then turn it back in until the engine souds smooth again. Given that that screw is almost all the way out the engine might be running richer and richer until it stops - it can be hard (if not impossible) to tell in real life sometimes, let alone through computer speakers. Thinking about it, running better when cold is often a sign of running rich... Finally - the choke flap is designed to move by itself. When you operate the choke a spring (No. 6) pulls the flap shut. When you rev the engine the increased amount of air needed by the engine pulls it at least partially open. If it didn't move the engine would just pull huge amount of fuel through instead. When the engine's cold the throttle needs to be held open a bit as well - that's what rod 24 and lever 25 do. The choke cable should be attached to lever No. 20 - and should only move when you adjust the choke control on the dashboard.
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psycho83
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The screw, number 34 on the diagram Float needle?, seems to be almost all the way out (so lean yeah?). it physically wobbles. I havn't touched it but it doesn't seem right to me. Tempted to screw it in but as it was running before the problems began and I havn't adjusted anything I don't wanna get myself in more of a muddle. Could do with a carb guide for this solex b33 so I know which screws are which The float valve is No. 10 in that diagram. However, read below before ripping the carb to bits... No, 34 is the idle volume screw - aka mixture screw. All the way out is "rich as feck". What colour are the plugs? If the plugs are black and sooty then screw that screw all the way in, just far enough to seat it - don't put any force on it to tighten it or you'll damage the taper seat - and 1.5 to 2 turns back out. That should get it running anyway. Double-check the ignition timing and start the engine. Let it warm up fully and turn the choke off. See if the idle speed is about right - it doesn't need to be precise, but if it's obiously too fast turn screw No. 44 anti clockwise until it's about right. Then adjust the mixture screw. It's not easy to do initially - until you know what you're listening for. Basically screw it out until the engine starts to sound rough, and then turn it back in until the engine souds smooth again. Given that that screw is almost all the way out the engine might be running richer and richer until it stops - it can be hard (if not impossible) to tell in real life sometimes, let alone through computer speakers. Thinking about it, running better when cold is often a sign of running rich... Finally - the choke flap is designed to move by itself. When you operate the choke a spring (No. 6) pulls the flap shut. When you rev the engine the increased amount of air needed by the engine pulls it at least partially open. If it didn't move the engine would just pull huge amount of fuel through instead. When the engine's cold the throttle needs to be held open a bit as well - that's what rod 24 and lever 25 do. The choke cable should be attached to lever No. 20 - and should only move when you adjust the choke control on the dashboard. awesome response! cheers! will check that tomorrow and see if I can get this thing sorted! ;D thanks again! all part of the learning curve I guess.
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psycho83
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Yes yes yes, NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! 5 mins running , slightly fast idle but all good. Then it warmed up and burbled to a halt. waiting for it to cool down, but it was much better than it was.
what could be causing the cut out when warm? also seemed to be a lot of vapour/smoke coming out of the carb after it cut out, also a small ammount coming out of the fuel filler.
plugs were fairly black, now cleaned and firing ok. sign of rich running.
might just take it to the local garage, but then I won't learn unless they let me stay and watch. wonder if they'l let me?
if not anyone in Ipswich/Woodridge able to offer a hand?
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psycho83
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Now fixed!!! I think the running out of fuel thing had completely thrown me! turned out to be the coil causing problems once warmed up, need to replace the ht leads but the ones I've bodged out of the old ones are working and the engine is running well(ish)
need to adjus the carb once I've got good leads on!
cheers for all the help and advice folks!
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