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Jun 13, 2006 11:08:50 GMT
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This is not an old Lada or Skoda Joke, ;D I mean How much stick will they take? This question i know is like how longs a piece of string?.... Thought it might provoke some guidence and funny stories. My Fiestas i used to rag to death and they loved it, and thats the reason i set about building a tough cookie like the V8 3dr. The Sapph i never over rev if i can help it, cos the carb strangles it ithink anyway and i'm worried i'd knacker the engine racing it about, cos it is only a modest 'dads car' afterall. So my point is how much would i shaft my MR2 (if it gets there) if i did a quarter with it at CaRS? My mate gave it all on the track with his with nothing but loose wheels nuts. Advice, stories?
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Jun 13, 2006 11:17:34 GMT
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Push it until SHE CANNA TAKE NAE MORE, CAPTAIN! TBH, I doubt you'd be able to kill a MR2 up the strip unless it was very poorly to begin with. I would assume that being japanese and full of elektro-black evil of the witch of wookie hole it will have some sort of rev limiter to stop you exploding the engine at 11,000 rpm or something. And also, you'll soon 'feel' when she's not nothing more to give & it's time for another cog.
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Jun 13, 2006 11:19:18 GMT
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I reckon sod's law plays a big part here. You can rag the tits off a car you detest and it'll stay together day after day. However, treat the car you love with kid-gloves and the f*cker still breaks on you! I had a Hyundai Pony a while back - I just bought it as my cars weren't working at the time and I needed to get to work. It was dull, rattly and slow, but it just would not die! I drove it like I stole it, it was airborne over hump-back bridges, yumped over speed bumps, and did a 300 mile round trip on three cylinders with half a Merc V8 in the boot. In the end it got a 30 second flame sprayjob (courtesy of street)before driving it up to mrsigmas gaff so I could take delivery of The Mazda Of Doom TM. I think Mrsigma then donated it to charity afterwards. Conversely, I go to great lengths to fix up my Mk3 Escort and make sure it's running properly and the breathers are clear, only to have it catch fire 100 miles into my journey south
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Jun 13, 2006 11:23:28 GMT
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I'm toying with the idea of taking my boggo standard All-Aggro up the strip at CARS, just for the comedy value you know. At least you will have a have a rev counter in the MR2, in the Aggro I go with the sound approach, works out at about 20MPH in 1st, 40MPH in 2nd, 60MPH in 3rd and 80MPH+ in 4th (yes it will exceed 80MPH although speedos over read the faster you go )
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Stu
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Jun 13, 2006 11:23:42 GMT
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I reckon an MR2 in decent shape, good oil, filter, cooling system etc, will take any abuse you can give it. I would have thought the clutch would give out before the engine to be honest? Only one way to find out...!
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Jun 13, 2006 11:25:54 GMT
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Give it death. It's a 4AGE I assume? They take some fair stick. Or at least enough to last a run on the strip.
Having said that, not long ago I sold a 20v Silvertop to a guy who put it into a MkI MR2 and he killed it by driving it like he stole it. Revv'd the rings off it. Started blowing smoke, however, it still went!
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Jun 13, 2006 11:34:09 GMT
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Talk to 2002Tii about ragging 4AGE engines, they take the abuse and love it, very very good engines. Not too sure how strong the box is on the MR2, so don't ditch the clutch off the start line, but apart from that it should be fine.
J
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Jun 13, 2006 11:51:10 GMT
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I spent a year trying to kill my old Colt Galant when I lived in Cape Town. Went everywhere at max revs. Zero maintainance. Poor quality African petrol, drove like a loon. Nothing, nada, it just took it all. Just had to glance sideways at my XM estate and something broke! That's why you see nothing but J cars in Africa now. Our taxi driver in Nairobi at Christmas just laughed when I told him I owned a Peugeot. They all aspire to a new Corolla.
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Jun 13, 2006 11:52:01 GMT
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just remembered i'm not sure how worn the clutch is! we'll see anyway will get round to doing oil etc... My second Micra i drove like i stole it almost and it wouldnt give up apart from the chassis rot, that old thing was awesome. right what you say.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Jun 13, 2006 12:06:36 GMT
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If the car is in good mechanical condition then drive it as hard as you like. With my corolla AE86 I did 50,000 mile on the engine and revved it to 7,600rpm pretty much all the time I never tried finding the limit. The rest of the car was rotten so the engine then went into my brother in laws avenger rally car and he found the rev limiter at 8,200. It had 120,000 when it came out of the corolla and has been in the rally car for 5 years now including two years autotesting as well. Smokes a little but not bad considering the abuse its had. Only thing I would recommend on that car is use a semi synthetic oil as minimum but preferably a fully synthetic. Minerals don't like high revs.
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Jun 13, 2006 12:36:29 GMT
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Synthetic. ok on the list, any in particualar, or just what the halfrauds/motor factors book suggests? cheers As a side point i was reading an old early 90's 'Fast Car' mag, (it was good then) it was on about using 4age engines in projects, rough Imagine that now?! Were they just in the sporty corollas or the family ones too?
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Jun 13, 2006 12:58:33 GMT
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I am sure there was a guy on here telling us about the stuff he put in his Polo motor. I am sure he was on about mud, grass and bolts and it still worked fine.
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qwerty
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Jun 13, 2006 13:16:17 GMT
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Yeah that'll be PhilJ. It was his little Polo 1.0. They put stones and muck into the cylinders and squirted NOS directly into the throttle body and it just kept going! The bounced it off the rev limiter for about 5 mins!
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Jun 13, 2006 13:42:01 GMT
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One of the Imp specialists' party pieces used to firing up his 1040, giving it quite a few revs while dropping Quavers past the intake trumpets to the twin 40 DCOEs.... The Quavers would get sucked into the engine and then blown out the exhaust, usually on fire. Very, very, very funny. ;D My ex-girlfriend used to have a Mazda 323 (series 1 FWD). She went to Hertfordshire from Dorset and back for an interview. When she got home, she said "its making funny noises"..... So I checked it over and sure enough it sounded like a bag of spanners. So I checked the oil... nada, not a drip. So I refilled the sump... normality was restored, with no untoward noises or effects (the engine went on for another 15,000miles, but thats another story). When I quizzed her about checking the oil I just got a blank face. She then said "I thought there was something wrong when it wouldn't do any more than 85mph....". Unbreakable car!!!! As for your MR2... the boxes on those are a bit iffy (especially the 5th gear cogs), so don't snatch the changes and it'll be fine. As for blowing it up... well, all your mates will be there to help, assist, commiserate, take the mick (delete as necessary), so it'll all be good. I might have a blast in the 02 this year... we'll see how brave I'm feeling on the day! ;D
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Jun 13, 2006 14:02:16 GMT
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A friend of mine once drove a VW camper from the north of england, where he had bought it, back to London, where he lived. Sadly the egine had absolutely no oil in it. It gave up in North London and finally struggled back to his house where it expired amid huge noises and loads of steam and other fumes. I asked him why he hadn't checked the oil before setting off abd he replied, "I didn't think you. Isn't it air cooled"
How we laughed!
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Jun 13, 2006 15:11:56 GMT
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the old 1100 roared its way up the strip then roared up the M1 (at rather stupid speeds) on the way home had a few coughs on the last road to my village give it a good service and take it easy haha no use saying take it easy that all changes when your sitting on the line
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once again rocking with 1117cc and 4 gears!
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Jun 13, 2006 16:40:45 GMT
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My experience of the emm-err-deux is second-hand but left me with the distinct impression that it was a fragile pile of... well, merde.
I have a friend who had one for a few years. It was a Mk2 and was a nice car. No, I'll go further than that, it was a _very_ nice car, the sort of car that makes you want it so much you're prepared to sell your very soul to have it. However it's very easy to lust after a car when you don't own the thing. My friend found it to be a thoroughly fragile and delicate money pit and while he had a lot of fun with it he sold it in the end, it was that or the house. While he had it he cooked an engine, killed a gearbox and had numerous ancilliary bits like alternators self destruct at random points. He used to joke about its monthly running cost being a "Toyota currency unit", about 500 quid. It wouldnt have been so bad if the bits had been cheap and fragile but they were expensive and fragile. Of course if he'd kept it as a piece of garage jewelery he wouldnt have had the problem but the point of a car is driving it. He commuted it, did the odd trackday and hammered round the Fenland roads in it but he took care of it and maintained it so it should have been OK. The fact that it wasnt leaves me regarding the idea of revving the nuts off any sporty Toyota being a good thing - if you're in the business of fixing other people's cooked Toyotas. My two penn'orth y'understand, YTMV...
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Jun 13, 2006 16:54:31 GMT
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Parts are not cheap i have noticed, but in some ways you can be creative and use other bits on em. Mine is a MK1, but i do remember an ex collegue having a mk2 i think and he sold it i believe due t the costs, however he wasnt the type to get mucky!
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Jun 13, 2006 17:06:43 GMT
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I used to use Castro RS oil. But any synthetic is worthwhile.
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Jun 13, 2006 19:51:18 GMT
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Theres synthetic and theres synthetic, apparently, all about polymer chains... and I do hear tales of older higher mile motors not taking well to it either...
Anyway, I'd say give it hell, but then I'm the one bumming a lift to a works meeting today because I blew my transmission up...
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