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Oct 13, 2016 21:27:33 GMT
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I seems as so Stinkynails is living in his own little dream word, for starters police can not issue them just because it looks unsafe they have to be mechanically trained and state the exact reason for it nor can a vehicle receive one for length of mudguard as they are not a legal requirement Also police can issue a ticket given you 14 days to effect repairs and having a PG9 does not mean it will be towed it just means you can't use it until fixed, you can repair it there and then and it doesn't have to be retested it is the item that has been noted that has to be checked. being in London doesn't mean the rules are any different to elsewhere in the UK. If you did receive 8 prohibitions on one bike then there was obviously 8 different occasions there was a fault that police picked up on, the fact you had 'mot'd literally by the book with the book open out in front of the bike'(?) means that the faults were with other items that are not tested or you modified the bike post test. or you are known to the police and keep giving them a reason to pull you. I got given a prohibition notice on a 6 month old motorbike, for 'leaking suspension' (coated in chain lube, was winter) and 'worn drivetrain' (was a supermoto, ran a lot of slack standard due to long travel suspension). This was done by two traffic coppers who stopped for tea at a burger van whilst i was eating my lunch. Had to get it recovered of site, then presented for a mot before allowed back on road. And it flew through mot. Was 6 months old ffs. now you sound like me! upside down marzocchis yes! ...and it'll ring a bell to you that the long travel suspension on a supermoto has some significant relation to the slack on the chain no? ...thus the killer loose chain tickets i use to pick up lol if only dollys prim and proper by the book thing was a reality. maybe putin will step in, invade the UK and give us some of our human rights back.. Save
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Oct 13, 2016 21:22:21 GMT
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'i think your 'keeping giving them a reason to pull me' sums it all up, because they have never had reason except that the appearance of my bike at the time gave the impression that something must be wrong so it came down to desperate measures like telling me that my chain was loose as previously mentioned.
police can do pretty much what they want and very few people take the time and energy and use it pursue unfair police action which amounts to no reward and an even bigger waste of everyones time.
much like my telling you these true anecdotes that someone is dismissing as fantasy lol.
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Oct 13, 2016 21:14:54 GMT
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a prohibition order requires that you not use the vehicle until you have been issued a new MOT certificate and rectified the faults outlined by the police in the prohibtion notice. so unless you are fotunate enough to pick up a notice right outside an MOT station you will indeed be calling for transport.
when its happened to me i have once been within pushing distance of a workshop and was followed most of the way to it.
i have once been given a prohibtion notice for have low brake pads and even had pads in my courier bag which i offered to fit, but was instead given a prohibtion so i can promise you that i am not living in a dream world.
yes dolly there is a book that sets all MOT standards, they are not made up on the whim of the examiner and ive seen the size of the book on that one occassion where it was brought out to determine how exact the tolerances were on my bike at the time.
as stated aleady, ive been with another courier while he was having a prohibition put on his bike for havingn a blown tail light.
the fact is that once a traffic police officer 'qualified' to issue prohibition notices says that your vehicle is defective and issues you the notice you have no recourse and youll only find that youll be putting your point across to a judge who doesnt know the difference between an artic and a tricycle. ...at your expense.
speaking from experience and that this has been a complete reality for myself and others close to me who work as riders and drivers in central london i can promise you that this is the way it is.
if you leave an MOT station with a shiny new certificate and get a nail in your tyre before you leave the kerb, then your MOT is invalid.
if you leave the MOT station with a slight oil leak and a policeman doesnt like the look of it and says it is a danger and issues you with a prohibition notice, then your MOT is invalid and you will have to have your vehicle recovered and re MOT'd.
ha ha! a mud guard isnt a legal requirement? i can say whether that is true or not but if you have one in place then i can tell you it has to extend beyond the front spindle by x cms.
its not an mot requirement to have a windscreen either but youll get screwed if you turn up with a chip in the wrong place and try tell that to the examiner....even funnier, try explaining that to a traffic officer lol.
prohibtion i promise you
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Oct 13, 2016 13:33:14 GMT
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hi
neil
living in norfolk, from london originally
ive owned a few retro cars more out of poverty spec, old 4x4s that look like bricks and still use a bighorn as a daily and workhorse. owned mgbs in the past, golfs(golves?), saab 99, capri, minis, big audis, nice e46s msports with carbon interior!, capri, minis and presently own a clean e34, an aerodeck(not the nice one!) isuzu bighorn and another e34 that is up for sale as its surplus to requirements(not my opinion of course)
havent been to many shows last couple of years though normally attend a few classic car events that happen locally.
my nails are not realy stinky though are often dirty as a result of my landscaping and gardening work. quite happy to offer botanical advice should anyone wish to turn their boot into a planter..
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Oct 13, 2016 13:03:38 GMT
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hi, ive been a motorcycle courier in london for about 20 years on and off and i have to say that int he eyes of the law(the courts and the traffic police) that mot certificates mean very little.
most of my bikes after a period become ratbikes, completely legal with nice components etc though lacking the appearance of your typical shiney sports bike.
painting a bike matt black years ago will draw attention to the traffic police who will then issue you with a prohibtion notice for what they call a loose chain or something. not that they are mechanics or even bikers, but it is in their power to put you off the road and out of business because your appearence doesnt fit in with the majority of road users.
ive known the police to prohibit a bike that had a blown tail bulb even and on a motorbike how are you supposed to know when thats happened unless someone is kind enough to poinit it out to you...
ive had an mot on a bike one day and a prohibtion notice on it the very same day, not that anything was wrong with my bike but it was the traffic officers opinion that my bike looked unsafe.
i have had a bike on which i collected 8 prohibition notices on despite it being mot'd literally by the book with the book open out in front of the bike, measuring everything from play in bearings to the length that the mudguard extends beyond the front spindle.
an mot can become invalid the moment you leave the place of issue.
i received a fine on one bike from a court who added that i should never put this bike on the road again due to its 'dangerous condition' lol. not something that a court is allowed to tell you ever and ive been told the same by traffic police.
ps: if you want to find out if your camper is road legal, just pull up next to a traffic car and point out your sills to them and I'm sure that theyll happily issue you with a fine and have you cart your vehicle off on a flat bed as they wont allow you to drive it a inch if its not roadworthy.
i think prohibtion notices are the thing you might want to worry about if your sills are dangerously rotting.
what use to be a notice to repair your vehicle within a specified time is now a discontinued procedure and instead, especially in central london, its normal to have a notice slapped on it in which case youll have to have the vehicle re-mot'd.
ive had a prohibtion issued when i once refused to move off a yellow line that i legally had 20 minutes on. it does happen lol
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cant get into my photobucket so heres a link to another ad www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C797655150000 miles zero service history starts up very easily, runs well and is very stabile with no knocking or juddering at any speed no smoke, leaks or smells except maybe for a bit of oil around the vanos feed lines(?) has had a recent (july) repair to the sills to get it through the last MOT though i havnt had a look under the sill covers as yet and the repair is flat on the floor and doesnt extend beyond that as far as i can see. rest of the underside looks pretty clean-again with no oily covered bits to alert your concerns few little dents, one on the rear quarter panel, under the tail light and i little one on one of the leading edge on a wing. few tiny scabs of missing paint on the bonnet doesnt smell like an ashtray or that a homeless pack of wet dogs frequent the interior bought very recently as my partners e34 m20 was being a pain to start and wasnt running properly so we bought this. the same night we brought this home i tinkered and corrected our existing car and shes wants to keep the shinier of the two and the plan was to only keep one though id love to keep this one and sort it, though i am being forbid the expense : / i bought this and wasnt at all put off by the high mileage having just bought one with 80000 miles on it that came with all manner of electrial faults, drank fuel, refused to start and ran like a dead pig, whereas this one starts on the button, runs, stops and hasnt yet given us any surprises. forget the price on the ad as its just a starting point but I'm not in any rush to get rid of it so not too many silly offers please viewing near methwold in norfolk 07756646806 neil
and this is the 'other' that owes us £2000 that I'm not going to see for the 10 years : /
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hi all, first post but happy to see an e34 thread straight away! i just wrote a long reply about how buying the cheapest e34 in town is the way forward and forget that old 'best condition' rule because when your sills start shredding conflakes youre going to want that to be happening on your ratty car not your shiny one lol..
i have a shiney older low mileage m20 and a newer high mileage cheap m50 and its the m50 with no sunroof that has the patch repairs and i love that car because of it. its just stress to watch the other car starting to bubble down there : /
i hope your thread encourages people to grab those cheap e34 with no fear and keep them out of the hands of the breakers because they are just depriving people of this experience of quality..
think of the children man! they need to know that headlights were once made of circles! lol
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