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Oct 27, 2021 20:38:11 GMT
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I decided these were coming out tonight. Heat, penetrating fluid, copper hammer, over and over again. Took about 1.5 hours, but there out!! Need to drill the bolt out that holds the jaw in this bit then it's all apart. De rusting can start now, then cleaning up the machined surfaces, then paint.
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Oct 27, 2021 20:35:42 GMT
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Looks like the front brake shoes are past their best. That wheel looks at home in their though. Yeah that’s the primary reason for identifying it accurately. Luckily bultaco seemed to use two different sets of front shoes for 30+ years of production, so getting the right ones shouldn’t be too hard. It's about £20 a pair to have them relined anyway. They will turn them to your drum size for that too.
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Oct 27, 2021 17:01:08 GMT
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No more pics yet but rear jaw insert is off, had to drill the bolt out. Quick release is all apart after drilling the pin out. Dynamic jaw is soaking in citric to try and free the front jaws.
I sorted the broken bolts too. I'd ran out of gas (disposable bottle valves are rubbish!) So I went to the local Adams place and got 10L as I'm fed up with little bottles. I've used these Adams bottles before so already had a proper reg. I just don't weld much these days so had reverted to disposable.
Needn't had bothered as it didn't work. I never have much luck. It just kept steering off more bolt. So I drilled then out and 're tapped the holes. There metric now but don't tell anyone!
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Oct 26, 2021 19:30:42 GMT
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I'm relieved to get this far. Front jaws might be more of a challenge.
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Oct 26, 2021 19:21:26 GMT
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This one Earlier?
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Oct 26, 2021 19:19:38 GMT
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I am going to try and get some Beach stickers made if any one wants some at cost? Just the shield logo like on the left of this image The Image shows the newer stuff they made just before they closed for the second time, the handles look like early Proto ones, now Proto boxes are very rare, but most people favour the big Snap on etc, but you can get some older Mac very cheaply now as they just arnt as popular I'd looked into that a bit too, as I thought my boxes might have been lacking badges, but they both have their autopro badges so all good. There were 2 beach shield badges weren't there? One without much red on it iirc.
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Oct 26, 2021 19:17:42 GMT
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Thanks winchman, One of your excellent photos shows their address, I might get a replacement handle yet lol, (Incidentally my boxes are badged as "Autopro", my Dad bought them in Staffordshire and three membersby the way 😁😁) Nigel They are long gone but I seem to remember some other manufacturer using the same handle, I did see one at a jumble but never thought I would need one! Sykes pickavant boxes have the same handlenon the outside and seem to be easily available. Even a cheap box makes for an expensive handle though.
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Oct 26, 2021 19:16:32 GMT
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Roller drawers? I didn't expect that! When you have the Waterloo too, we need a group shot 😎
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Oct 26, 2021 17:25:46 GMT
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Found an old junior hacksaw blade, ground it to a point, and used it to dig as much mud out of the top as possible. Soaked in wd40 and beat the help out of it with a copper mallet. It moved! Then eventually came out. Now I need to get the 2 front jaws out and it will no doubt be the hard part. They sit in pockets and due to the nature of this kind of thing, are a good tight fit. At least that will have stopped the mud getting in.
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Oct 26, 2021 16:35:21 GMT
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I've had some success in the past with dumping stuff on a charcoal brazier Not sure if it'll work for you though, you'll need some serious heat to soak that! I used heat to free the handle From the end of the lead screw. No about of hammering would do it but heat did. I might put the vice on top of the garage wood burner and get it warmed up.
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Oct 26, 2021 16:34:28 GMT
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A soak in neat TFR is the one that cleans cast iron better than anything. Give it a scrub every 2-3 days, then jet wash it off. Keep doing it til it’s clean enough for you. Deffo a cool thing though. I’ve been keeping an eye out for similar for ages and still havent found anything. As I probably mentioned before, the issue is how much liquid it takes to soak it. I should probably build and line a wood box or something. The tolerances on the sliding jaw are very close, closer than my record 112. In fact it seems better quality on general than the record. The castings aren't greatly finished, but it's cast steel so that's harder to get nice. Thw tolerances make the rust and dirt that's in there hard to get out. Its been soaking in either soap or wd40 for 36 hours and no liquid has penetrated more than 2 or 3mm, and it needs to penetrate 125mm. If i could get something in to dig some out, that would help. I used a hacksaw blade on the sides, but it won't fit on top. There is one of these on ebay, but not cheap. Not many about but you never know when another will surface.
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Last Edit: Oct 26, 2021 16:37:49 GMT by VW
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Oct 26, 2021 16:01:46 GMT
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Those enclosed cantilever boxes, b418, are nice too. Maybe I'll try and get one of those as well!
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Last Edit: Oct 26, 2021 16:02:32 GMT by VW
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Oct 26, 2021 16:00:13 GMT
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I have no space for a side box but I'm always hunting. If i find one ill get it for you. As you know, that b215 cabinet is what I'm after. I'm so glad you put all those pages up, I really couldn't be bothered to find all the images and then post them here with my phone!!
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Oct 26, 2021 15:56:02 GMT
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Nice that looks familiar? I wondered about an electric bath thingy I'll probably end up using electrolysis and citric. It's packed with rust and dirt on top of the sliding jaw, inside the body, and nothing will get it out so far. Shock doesnt seem to free it either. I'll get it out, even if it involves foxy acetylene and a hydraulic press!
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Oct 26, 2021 11:11:33 GMT
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Whatever I do to de rust it I didn't want the brass front plate in the mix. I have managed to get the quick release mech and main screw out now though, rest is still solid. 2 bolts broke as soon as I tried to undo them, not a big deal though.
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Oct 26, 2021 11:09:37 GMT
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Looking forward to seeing how you progress with this, you've certainly got your work cut out, (Have you considered an ATF / Acetate mixture and leave it soaking for a couple of weeks ??) Nigel I've considered all sorts but one big issue is in needs getting on for 100L to get it soaking.
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Oct 25, 2021 18:28:09 GMT
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Looks like the front brake shoes are past their best.
That wheel looks at home in their though.
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Oct 24, 2021 20:23:33 GMT
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I've only used them on tiles, but the world of model engineering don't agree about that. There are japanese blades that are pretty similar too but have large loop ends so need big holes to thread then through. Beauty of these is how thin they are and how small the locating pins are meaning fine work is possible. They will even work on tool steel apparently. Abrafiles are so expensive these days as no one is selling anything which quite fills their space, at least for the model engineers. For larger cut outs then I think there are a few modern alternatives available. Thank's for the comment , you have me puzzled. The last Arbrafiles I purchased, a few years ago now, had the large "loop ends " they were branded arbrafiles? ?? Mind you they were purchased at an Ironmongers closing down sale , don't model engineers use a Jeweller's saw and blades they are very effective on softer metals and the quality blades will cut mild steel??? Yes, I've seen those abrafiles. They are different. The older ones have a tiny pin so they fit in the same way the piercing saw blades your mention do. The benefit over piercing saw blades is they work in any direction, and they don't snap the moment to accidently twist your wrist! That was the one thing about silversmithing unused to hate, going through so many saw blades! But in that game you use hair thin saw blades!
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Oct 24, 2021 17:20:16 GMT
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Should be a good tool if you can sort the rust. Have you seen the Fractal Vice resto doing the rounds on Youtube a few months back that takes this idea and runs with it? Yes, saw it a while back. There have been quite a few variations on moving, or adaptable jaws on vices over the years. I've seen ones where the jaw is hollow and full of steel shot. The jaw faces are pins that can move in the shot. There are also ones with many revolving cam plates. The fractal is VERY cool though.
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Oct 24, 2021 16:50:23 GMT
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Interesting, always a sucker for interesting tools. Chuck it in a bucket of diesel? Ttfn Glenn It's expensive at the moment! But yeah, diesel, parafin, citric, electrolysis, one way or another I'll free it up.
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