benzine
Part of things
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Just checked my reg
"According to our records the vehicle is exempt from the Low Emission Zone and is not required to meet the standards at this time.Find out more about discounts and exemptions"
5.5 litre diesel bedford TK is fine ^_^ (pre '73)
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Just to ad, the £200 is a CHARGE per day, 12 midnight to 12 midnight. If you enter the zone at 23.30, and are seen by the cameras there at 00.30, it's counted as two days. If you don't pay, the fine is £500, though as already mentioned you get a warning letter the first time. That's day in, day out, no days off. All for a projected 14% improvement in air quality. All that said, I know people who LIVE in the zone, have cameras at the end of the street, run currently none compliant vehicles and have had a total of 2 identical warning letters. Some have had nothing. Then again, there are far more transits than 3.5 ton+ vehicles on the roads inside the M25, so I suspect those that don't know will have a very nasty shock!
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kenb
Part of things
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I deliver to the fruit and veg markets thats Spitalfield Covent and Western. All of which are in the LEZ zone. Looking at the state of some of the vans now, and the lorries that were being used prior to the first stage of LEZ coming in, its probably not a bad thing. Some of them i don't know how they were/are legally on the road.
I benefit as I get a new lorry every now and again, which i probably wouldn't otherwise and be driving around in a heap of rubbish like the other drivers on our firm who don't do London. My boss isn't one for spending money on vehicles.
Seriously tho, my take on the whole thing, is: i can perhaps see why business, theorectically the biggest users, should be targeted, but to extend this to privately owned/used vehicles ie campers Land rovers horse boxes etc etc, is a bit bad. But I suspect the problem is picking out who is using their vehicle for what purpose.
Someone metioned buses earlier, well i can tell you many of the older London buses end up here in Lincolnshire, where there is still a lot of privately owned bus companies. Here they smoke away until they die or fall in the ditches and dykes!!!
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Has anybody actually thought about the environmental impact of making and then replacing all these vehicles every 5 years or so? No? Thought not..... It's right up there with electrically powered cars being sooo environmentally friendly. Yeah, those electric cars that get their electricity from coal powered power stations.
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Has anybody actually thought about the environmental impact of making and then replacing all these vehicles every 5 years or so? No? Thought not..... It's right up there with electrically powered cars being sooo environmentally friendly. Yeah, those electric cars that get their electricity from coal powered power stations. Except that the LEZ isn't about 'the environment', its about air quality which its why its only aimed at diesels. Its about health - pneumonia, bronchitis, asthma. Of course, you're right - building new cars or generating electricity releases soot as well, but its generally in places where you don't have 8 million people living.
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So it stays where it's generated then? Somehow I doubt it. You see, I just might take the LEZ seriously if it wasn't for the anomalies. Like you have 2 vans. A 2001 transit, and a 2001 LDV. Both have the same engine, the 2.5 DI. Yet the LDV is compliant, the transit is not. Why? Because LDV saw fit to do the paperwork to list the LDV as being euro 3, and Ford saw fit not to. And if you have a transit, which can be a clean as you like, you can't even pitch up for the VOSA test to see if your engine/van could be exempt. If your engine's not on their list for testing, you can't even go for the test. Aside from this, the LEZ compliance is based on outdated information that even the manufacturers won't stand by after 4 years, so by the time the LEZ is in for transit sized vehicles, the manufacturers of the compliant vans have already disowned their own figures. Remember this isn't the MOT test we all have to get our vans through, this is a 'special' requirement for London.
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So it stays where it's generated then? Somehow I doubt it. Well no, its a gas. It disperses. So the further away you get from where its generated, the less you breath in. That's why air is cleaner in the Peak District than in Romford, or 2 inches from the exhaust pipe of a Mercedes Sprinter. Anyway, I don't want to get drawn into an argument about it. There's very good criticisms of its impact on small businesses for a start, and I completely agree that there's inconsistencies in the way its applied (although something tells me people would moan a lot harder about the alternatives - compulsory testing for all vehicles before you can go into London to get rid of the LDV / Ford thing? Who pays for that?) But I think its important to know why its being introduced - its for London only because London is where the most people, most vehicles and most soot is and London is where most people are getting ill as a result. And I also know how much work has been put in to try and avoid the extension of the LEZ - the people who are doing it really don't want to, not least because they know how unpopular it will be. This hasn't just been drawn up on the back of an envelope. Anyway, in a probably vain attempt to avoid lockage, have a truck.
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Seriously, do you think a photo of a ground scraping American day van makes this any better? As for compulsory testing before entering London, that's WAAAAY too labour intensive, not to mention the traffic chaos it would cause, so you know that's not gonna happen. As usual, the easiest route, via the DVLA computer and CCTV has been selected, as a clumsy attempt to extract money off the already badly squeezed business is presented as a measure to improve London's air quality. I've an idea, why not tax Heathrow and Gatwick some more?
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