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Nov 11, 2010 21:16:53 GMT
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Hi there, I'm a new member on the board but have been browsing for a long time. I'm the proud owner of a Morris Minor 2dr saloon which I've just stripped down to a bare shell so I can do a full respray and turn it into a little hot rod badboy - tuning up a 1300 Ital engine (will be supercharging too if I can afford it), custom interior, suspension, brake, axle upgrade, some custom body work etc etc. Anyway, whilst it's off the road I've bought a Mk2 Polo CL (H reg - the sort of 'estate' looking one) to keep me mobile. Being of a modifying persuasion I'm looking to tart it up a bit, along the lines of a rat as I'm skint and the bodywork's a bit bashed! Matt gunmetal paintwork, steels, dropped suspension etc... Does anyone know if one can get any spoliers/skirts etc for these Polo's? All I seem to be able to find are MK4+ models. I'm also wondering how one goes about dropping the suspension on these... I'm use to leaf springs and lever arm dampers! Is it simply a case of getting some lowering springs, or do the shocks need changing out too? Also does anyone know the maximum that these can be lowered? I'd like the slammed V Dub look. Finally, if anyone has any links to good resources re tuning up the 1272cc VW engine I would be grateful as I will eventually want to warm it up a bit Sorry for all the questions, cheers for your ears, George
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Nov 11, 2010 21:21:51 GMT
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you don't want spoilers and skirts if your ''ratting''
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Nov 11, 2010 21:23:45 GMT
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they're known as breadvans lots of info on clubpolo , best to get uprated dampers if lowering it ,but yeah just springs will get the look you want few lowering pics here www.clubpolo.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=71224you can get the gt arches for the breadvan , rears are rare but do exit
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91 golf g60, 89 golf 16v , 88 polo breadvan
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Nov 11, 2010 21:48:51 GMT
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Cheers for the replies, that thread of photos is really useful. Definitely want to go up to some 14" steels also. The clubpolo site looks good, I'll check it out, cheers. Yeah slacker, I'm not sure about the body kit, perhaps won't need it if lowered but at the moment it looks very mundane, and I just want something to give it a bit more of a grunty look. Not too worried about making a 'true rat' if you know what I mean
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Nov 11, 2010 22:05:16 GMT
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my mate has slammed his by 80/90!!!! i think thats about as low as they will go. check for the phillj kits on cp, thats what he used there isnt really a great deal you can do with the engines, bike carbs would prob be your best bet. but you have to change the dizzy to a vacuum set up. tbh looking around on cp is gonna be the the best thing.
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Nov 11, 2010 22:57:03 GMT
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cheers for that info rich, will have a good browse on the cp site. 80/90 would be nice! I was thinking of porting the head (got the gear to do this myself so it's cheap!), K&N air filter, researching a carb and manifold upgrade, and then seeing if I can get some kind of performance exhaust manifold, I've got a big bore exhaust system lying around so I can chop that to fit I expect. Cheers, George
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Nov 11, 2010 23:35:52 GMT
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Have found philj's page on the cp forum, he has bloody everything! 80/90 shocks and springs, 4 branch exhaust manifolds etc etc, cheers for the heads up rich
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back is easy takes about 30 mins, Straight swap for some of them philj type ones, you can get them cheaper on ebay straight from germany and they are height adjustable. Fronts take a bit longer and you need a special tool to get the strut insert out. But i'm sure you might be able to do it with a big set of grips. You cant go silly low on the front without an awful ride. Easiest engine mod is to stick a 3F (gt) engine in, guess you can still pick them up cheap enough.
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1970 Porsche 911E 2002 Porsche Boxster S 2002 Peugeot Partner 1.9sdi
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On one hand I'm thinkin. don't put a kit on it because itll just look like somthing out of max power in the mid90's but on the other hand I'm thinking do it, Because when was the last time you saw it done? That said, don't RAT IT!!!! its getting tired now... just matt black it, matt silver? somthing other than rust..... Get some pics up of the offending item anyway? Someone might be able to give you some photoshop ideas for it? And the following link sells kits for mk2's... www.clubpolo.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=54548
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there isnt really a great deal you can do with the engines, . huh? where did ya hear that then? Theres plenty that can be done , But its old skool tuning which involves unbolting things and modifying them rather than swapping or just bolting stuff on. Some head work, some webbers, a 4 branch, bigger valves and raised compression will see some good figures... And it wouldnt cost the earth as its all head focused... You could go as far as balancing and lightening the bottom end too They allready pull realy well in 1300 form. So gettin it to rev would be the next step, That along with tightening it up a bit. Drop it with springs and shocks not just a chop and fit some g-lader bushes up front Itll go realy well. The most fun ive had has been in simple mk2's like that... Even my g40 didnt make me smile as much as a slightly reworked bready...
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Nov 12, 2010 12:18:53 GMT
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recommend joining clubpolo, lots of experienced advice on there. I've been sorting out a lowering kit for my bready recently, the easiest option is just the springs, it's recommended that anything below 60mm you replace the shocks aswell. They're really easy to do, you don't even need to compress the rears. You'll need a special tool for the fronts and the bottom bolt at the rear is prone to breaking off wich is a ba***rd. As for body kits a mk1 golf chin spoiler can be fitted, although is a required taste. Mat.
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-70 2.8 Daimler Sovereign (family owned since 1971) -76 Triumph Stag 'Old Grumble Guts' -81 VW Golf GLi Cabriolet -82 MG Metro Turbo -83 VW Polo Formel E Hatchback 'Phybe' -91 VW Polo GT Coupe 'Geraldene' -91 VW Passat TDi GL Wagon
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Nov 12, 2010 12:39:38 GMT
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If you want good tech advice on the Mk2 Breadvan I have found that www.polo3.co.uk is the best forum to look at as they are more focussed on the Mk2, Club polo is more newer 6n materiel.
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Nov 12, 2010 13:36:40 GMT
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If you want good tech advice on the Mk2 Breadvan I have found that www.polo3.co.uk is the best forum to look at as they are more focussed on the Mk2, Club polo is more newer 6n materiel. totally agree, Theres lots of knowledgeable people there! Club polo has moved on abit from the mk2 thing now... That said theres more than a few people here that run mk2's or have had, and will be willing to offer advice , Me included.
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EmDee
Club Retro Rides Member
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Nov 12, 2010 14:04:24 GMT
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^ the man speaks sense you don't need a transplant to have a fun and fast little car, my 1.3 is the most fun I've had in a car for years and I've driven some pretty decent metal. She came third in class at the RRG behind two people driving the same Mini cooper I was very proud of her you can embarass some much more expensive and modern machinery if you do it right Oh and I know it's not my place to say, but please don't "rat" the polo, keep it salvageable!
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Nov 12, 2010 18:15:02 GMT
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I'd go for polo3 aswell. as for mods on engines, it really depends what you want, many people seem to be replacing the 1.3 normally aspirated engines with 1.4 and 1.6 engines. its also pretty straightforward to drop a fuel injected engine from a mk3 polo into place of the carbed engine. just have a look at the forums then see what you like the look of. my personal choice is for a mk2 1L breadvan and a mk3 GT couple with a mildy modified engine
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g40jon
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Nov 12, 2010 21:25:22 GMT
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^ your the polo3 tuning guru anyway! the guy could just stay on this forum and not worry!!! polo3 is very good for early polos though, but then being a moderator on there i would say that!
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Nov 12, 2010 22:29:14 GMT
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Cheers again for all the input. That's good to know that the Golf Mk1 spoiler will fit, I checked out some photos of them and I reckon it could look pretty good... retrowagen, I know what you mean about putting a body kit on in that it will make it look like something out of Max Power, but to be honest 80's boy racer rides look rad! It's just the modern, androgynous, gelatinous monstrosities consisting of darth vader parts and smoothed out panels that I hate! At least the 80's kits had some 'purposeful' looking styling. Thanks for the advice on lowering volkskid83, I'm keen to go as low as possible so I will be looking to do the shocks as well, I like the sound of 80/90 running on 14" steels (will that fit?!) I've had a good look at the club polo site and it looks like there's loads of good advice on there, god to know there is another mk2 specific forum, will check it out. I've been having a good think about it over the last few days and I think I'm going toward the following for a plan... - Matt black paint all over, gloss black bumpers, bonnet sanded to bare metal to go to rust (got to have a little bit of rat in there, sorry! Easily replaced tho ) - Mk1 Golf chin spoiler, mod the front and rear wings to coupe / mk1 golf flared arches - 14" steels painted white - weld in panels over the rear windows (going to be using it as a bit of a work van for my screen printing business) - lower it 80/90 when I've got the cash And then when my Morris is back on the road and I can take the polo off the road briefly, I'll tune up the engine - Webers + K&N, 4 branch ex manifold, port the head and up the compression, perhaps put a hotter cam in if I can find info of a suitable upgrade etc. I'm in the process of tuning an A-series engine so am quite used to old school tuning Personally I like the idea of sticking with the stock engine and seeing what I can get out of it, rather than dropping in a bigger lump from something else. Does anyone know if one could drop an SU carb on it? I suppose a bespoke manifold would need making. I only ask as there are some that say a large SU i.e. an HS8 (2") flow as well as Webers not to mention being cheaper and easier to set up...
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Nov 12, 2010 22:34:04 GMT
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Forgot to post this... my breadvan...
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Nov 12, 2010 23:41:37 GMT
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if you want a cam, you can use the one from a mk3 polo GT with a 3F engine, but you'll need to use an electric fuel pump as it has no lobe to drive the mechanical fuel pump. you could fit an su or pair of su's, but you'd need to get a manifold made up, if I was going the su route, I's use the HS2's from a mk3 spitfire as they were arround 75bhp as standard from a 1300 cc engine, and that would have sporty cam similar to the polo 3f engine. forget about raising the compression on the polo engines as it wont make that much difference, as the head is almost flat as the combustion chamber is in the pistons.
I'm with the idea of modifying a stock engine too, on my mk3 polo GT 1272cc engine with fuel injection, mine was running 97bhp at the flywheel last time on the rollers, thats using the standard cam for the engine and induction mods and porting. People have different opinions about porting and what works and what doesn't. Most people will make the inlets bigger, but personally after doing a bit of research thought they were too big and filled them to make them smaller. I still need to tweak the fueling and ignition timing, so should be able to break 100 bhp. its not all about the power though, as the engine is very smooth now and pulls from just off idle. its hard to find people giving rolling road figures for comparison, but 2 or 3 years ago, someone had a 1272cc engine running twin 40's a ported head and an aftermarket cam and had 106bhp at the fly. my car would probably be better for normal driving and have more mid range torque though.
ohh and Jon, I'm not the polo3 tuning guru, there are several of us who know about the engines that we can use in our cars. I'd be struggling to know how to fit a 1.4 or 1.6 conversion, but I know people on there that would point me in the right direction ;D ;D
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Forgot to post this... my breadvan... i bet with with a bit of elbow grease that'd polish up well, might be a shame to satin black it? As for www.polo3.co.uk i've never heard of it. But if you say it's better for early polos than clubpolo i'll be sure to check it out.
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-70 2.8 Daimler Sovereign (family owned since 1971) -76 Triumph Stag 'Old Grumble Guts' -81 VW Golf GLi Cabriolet -82 MG Metro Turbo -83 VW Polo Formel E Hatchback 'Phybe' -91 VW Polo GT Coupe 'Geraldene' -91 VW Passat TDi GL Wagon
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