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Apr 27, 2006 19:03:06 GMT
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Maybe its just me but trying to convince the purist classic enthusiast that satin black and V8 is the way to go is about as fruitful as me trying to get my dad to accept that my hair/clothes looked good when I was a teenager... Or even now come to think of it.... But why do we even care?As has been said on the PC forum "they are not even part of the same scene". This is true. Modified cars are not allowed at some classic shows. Well boo-hoo. Try parking a stock classic vehicle in the show field area at an NSRA event, or sticking a European car in the lineup at an AAC show... TBH I generally find static classic shows dull as watching paint dry, no, scratch that, I kinda like watching paint dry.... So long as its candy....  There are a ton of great events I try and get my lazy/busy ass down to and they are not the static shows. Cars are IMO for driving not for sitting in a field while you drink tea from a thermos with a tartan rug over your knees. Thats why I tend to be at the pod, shakey, etc. for the shows and meets there. And how many stock restored classics do you see there? A few maybe, but mostly modified metal. Ditto I don't see the point of us trying to force the issue of modified rides in Practical Classics. You canmake the debate about it being a modifed car as soon as you switch from cross ply to radial, or even when you fit a new battery or non-OEM brand, but we all know what modified means and its not that. Point at issue should be to try and get the modified classic magazine(s) we have already have (Classic Ford, Retro... heck Custom Car even if you're into the older tin) to give decent coverage and proper researched and written articles, and maybe give the Escorts a bit of a rest... The straight classic scene has its own business and we can use that for sources, for autojumbles, and a good classic magazine (like PC) provides some tech, some historical perspective, etc. I don't see why we'd feel the need to get some "vindication" from there though? I'm secure enough in that I do not to care if their members think my cars abhorations. So what? Why do you care? |
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Apr 27, 2006 19:11:40 GMT
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same as life some you like some you don't
but no need for people to be sniffy cos the one thing in common everyone with an old car has its mostly a hobby (for most anyway)
for example I'm not keen on mgbs (although i like gt's) but i don't go outta my way at shows just to avoid them
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2001 HONDA CT110 (NOT RCV)
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Apr 27, 2006 19:14:14 GMT
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Question is - why are we even discussing it?
S'never an answer, who gives a stuff anyway ;D everyone's entitled to their own opinions, peace out, jobs a goodun ;D
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Apr 27, 2006 19:52:05 GMT
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I've looked through the threads on PC. What a different train of thought from here! I don't seek forgiveness from anyone on what I do to my car. There is no higher authority than my own taste when it comes to my car. If you don't like it don't look at it! On the other hand, I find it's always worth looking over the fence, you might learn something.
I enjoy this forum because it's all positive and encourages me to do just what I'm about to do, get out there and work on the car. See ya!
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sniper
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I guess we lucky, one of the local classic car club we are in, also allows retro cars and hot rod's. Several of it's memebers are also members of the NASC. They organise a few show and want the retro's and rods there!
Mind you at a Classic car show at the weekend one chappie from another classic club got quite upset when the Pie Wagon parked next to his car! Don't worry folks, the Pie Wagon didn't get moved and went on to win Best in Show.
As for taking a stock classic to an NRSA event, we did last year at the Supernats & we surprised at how many people loved our Humber. Maybe it helped having the whitewall tyres and it being painted in 2 tone blue. (Just wait until the sunvisor goes on!)
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1988 Volvo 240 Estate GLT!
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as with most clubs the imp club has a very small minority of pursists,but as they are so few and far between on the whole they aren't a problem.i also do a lot of classic car shows and have never had a problem because my car is modified,in fast most people are really interested to know whats been done,and to date,criticised me for it.the biggest problem i get is when some know-it-all interupts a sensible conversation to tell me 'oi had one of dose and the head gasket went' or 'why do they overheat all the time' ,so they get re-educated and politley scared off.sometimes people come over and ask to sit in it as they had one just like it when they were younger and miss owning it.even the mayor of bollington spent 15mins talking to gjm and me at a classic car show last year.
heres a thought that has cropped up in conversation a few times recently.do they only make it an issue because they can 'hide' behind the medium? do they only say things derogatory becuase its not face to face,could it be bravado knowing that its unlikely you will meet and recognise each other?
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The Mini scene is a nightmare for it, some people get upset if you swap a slot head screw for a phillips. My 13"s are the evil work of the devil in some quarters as well  |
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Even the Skoda Owners Club now has its purists, 1 member there was even considering buying a modified early Estelle and was going to convert it back to standard, yet this Estelle drove and handled far better than it did originally. He's always going on about originality with the rarer Skuds, yet he's restoring an S110R but has sprayed it Alfa yellow instead of the original Skoda yellow.
No matter what we do there will always be someone who finds fault with it, but at the end of the day, they are our cars, and we are free to modify them any way we can. As long as we're happy with what we're doing and it gives us some individuality, then who gives a stuff.
The world would be a dull place if everyone did the same thing.
Long live individuality.
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2006 Skoda Roomster 1.4 16v (Daily)
1990 Autozam Revue 1.5 Auto Canvas Top (Project)
1993 VW Transporter LWB 2.4D (Camper Project)
1994 Skoda Favorit Foreman II Pick Up (Project)
1979 Skoda Estelle 120LS. (Project)
1982 Kip Kompakt 300 Caravan (Project)
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The world would be a dull place if everyone did the same thing. Long live individuality. amen maybe we are more alike than we care to admit,after all buying and running a classic car in my eyes is a statement of individuality,in which we,by modifiying them are only taking one step further. if i wanted to blend in i would have bought a mondeo ! |
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Indeed, there are plenty areas of crossover. I used to be chariman of a single marque club and trying to ballance all of the interests of the members was a nightmare. It ended up so acrimoniously I almost gave up having anything to do with the cars as well as the club. Thats what happens when you let people into anything LOL.
There are segments, with blurry edges, as I see it. The "classic" guys start with the purists and end about the time you put radials and inerita reel belts in it. Then the retro thing starts and carries on to about the point where they become "customs" or hot rods (dependant on age and how you select your terminology). I don't see that one scene can accomodate all these people's views. I have a foot in several camps because i have a wide range of interests, and you'll hear me make comments that a car here tr there is too good to modifiy or too rare to rod it. A lot of people don't believe in these sentiments...
I have nothing against the purists - in fact I appreciate and occasionally admire what they are doing. Its just not for me these days, although if the right car came up I might go that way for a special case. But until I do that I'm not participating in their scene, just watching the "overlap".
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Ooooh Noooooo
'ere we go again! ;D ;D ;D
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No i'm honestly not bothered. I'm happy enough thanks, specially being here! I'm not out to get 'our stuff' in PC mag or on their forum, i'm just being civil on the forum and seeing the other side of the coin. I'm working on a product that should cover all bases but should aim at us and like minds. We've sort of got all we need really from the mentioned retro mags. If Emap are confident they got enough pure classics enthusiasts buying maybe they should stick to that and do their own Practical Retro Mag! Each to their own.
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Firstly, can we make it quite clear that the views of a couple of members of the PC forum don't represent Practical Classics' editorial stance of the views of most of our readers. The mag has always covered modified classics and even built a few including a V8 TR7 and a race Imp. This isn't an effort to break into any different market or anything - we've just always done it as we think it's part of the scene and because we modify cars ourselves. Ben Field's K-series Midget is top fun and there are a few other projects on the way. The mag is mainly about fixing stuff yourself so that applies to pretty much any project really. Personally it makes me despair when infighting happens because I'm just as into 60s rods, 70s rally tin and bonkers home-brewed specials (one of my all time fave cars is Kawasaki engined Reliant Kitten that was featured in CCC years ago) as I am restored cars. But then I worked in a vintage restoration shop for years and I also don't like to see really original cars hacked about. But the main reason I lurk on this forum is because there's so many great cars on here and people are positive and enthusiastic about them. I don't see the appeal of them all but then I expect there's loads of cars I like that others wouldn't. Sorry for the long post, just getting it off my chest after a frustrating few days...  Paul Wakely - Features Ed on PC |
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I think what the real problem with a lot of 'purists' is the belief that they feel everybody has the ability to have their vehcile in perfection/concours condition  . As I have said in a previous thread when I took a certain MGB GT of mine to car shows I used to have people complain about things like "oh you've got a bit of rust on the door" and "you shouldn't have put fibreglass wings on" and so on..  Do some of these saddos not realise that I run older cars because I cannot afford modern tin! I admit some of my fleet I have bought when it was under 10 year old/modernish but when aquired I would waxoil underneath etc and look after as best I can as I know it will have to stay with me for a long time ...as it's just way to expensive (due to intial purchase price and depriciation) changing a modern motor every 4 years. |
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Ed
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i couldn't give a hoot what anyone thinks ever in any scene ;D
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Apr 28, 2006 10:20:15 GMT
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Paul Thanks I just re read my post, it sounds a bit arsey, it wasn't supposed to be. I said i'm new to the mag, and the way you explained it. it sounds great and sounds like it always has been. So why are people getting upeset about things? I'd been put off spending £3.70 on any of the classic titles as i always figured they just had MG's and really old cars in. which is fine just wasn't for me. PC seems to mix it up, which is a good thing for me. I don't care what happens in a scene at all either, but I am happy here as we all seem to be on the same wavelength.  |
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Apr 28, 2006 10:51:47 GMT
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I didn't intend this to be another oportunity for the old arguement. I just don't understand something....
Yes, its all about diversity. Diversity is good. But diversity doesn't mean one big show (or magazine) which caters for everyone. Diversity is us all doing our own thing and there being a variety of shows and magazines which cater for the various "themes" which run through that diverse whole.
The way I see the Retro scene now is that its a logical extension of the street scene of the 70s/80s which was covered by Street Machine Magazine (RIP) and catered for by the NASC. I don't see it as anything much to do with the classic scene. There is a fundamental difference in ethos - one is about having fun with old cars and one is about preserving the past. Neither is "wrong" and theres no reason the two can't coexist and cross over in some areas. But the two are just different. Christians and Jews worship the same God but have different litttergy, beliefs, practices and places of worship... and lets face is most of us feel as stongly about our cars & lifestyle that goes with it as most religious people do about their religeon!
Theres events like Wheels Day and the like where classics and modified cars sit side by side, and theres events which are mostly for modified or for restored standard classics. I wouldn;t want to take a modified car to a classic event. Why would I? For a start I find classic events boring.
Now as for what Practical Classics "should" cover, well, thats the job of the features editor... But my 2p on the subject is that I regard PC as an authorative journal of the classic car scene. Thats its strength. Thats were its got back to now after some years of poor quality IMO. Modified cars which appear in PC should be those which are sympathetic to the era of the car, to the style of the car, etc. And these kind of cars really shouldn't be the mainstay of the magzine either. IMO of course. Those seeking radical modified classic vehicles have other magazines which are well suited to those tastes - Retro, Classic Ford, PPC, Custom Car....
I like PC. I like restored classics. But its a part of what I'm interested in.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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slater
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Apr 28, 2006 12:17:10 GMT
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I don't care, i just like a good arguement! thats what the internets for right??
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Apr 28, 2006 12:22:45 GMT
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Course it is! Plus pornography of course.
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Apr 28, 2006 12:58:09 GMT
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well i've siad all i want to on subject other than i will continue useing the pc forum because some people on there are interested in the modified scene but don't know how it works as i have already said i also like standard cars although i doubt i could ever keep one stock myself as for it to truly be my car i feel a must put my sinature on it but that is me and my own cars it will not stop me from appresiating others cars
and interacting with those that show interest in mine
we all get people from time to time who will insist their way is the right and only way and feel they have to be rude about it if you don't follow but the old saying is true in that to comand respect you first must give respect
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