PhoenixCapri
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Hi guys. Whilst having a but of a lunch time search I came across this great little build thread. 1.0 VVTi (1KR-FE) Toyota Aygo engine ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_KR_engine ) into a Hillman Imp! Has some great modification of the imp transaxle to fit it too. www.theimpclub.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=15902Very interesting, and the little Toyota motor is a great choice as its small and very light, with very good power/torque (67bhp / 67ftlb) for a 1 litre. Perfect choice for a small car such as an imp or Mini? I get the feeling these engines could become popular for swapping given the number of Aygo/107/C1's on the roads at the moment that will be worth pennies in a few years time Plus having driven a couple of hire cars (107's) with this motor, its a very willing little engine, thats sounds surprisingly good and is actually great fun on a twisty road (I couldn't believe it either!) though obviously you have to keep the revs up - but that's half of it's charm Think I'm going to look into these some more *edit for image problems - I.e. I can't get them working for some odd reason!
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Seth
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Interesting stuff to make a sprightly modern engined Imp. Clutch disc work looks great but I'd always fear having to replace something like that though I suppose that one could be re-lined when it wears out. Also I can't believe how solid that shell is!
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Last Edit: Nov 5, 2010 11:46:21 GMT by Seth
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craig1010cc
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Indeed, where was that shell stored to remain so rot free It is an interesting choice, and should work well with out overly stressing the stock Imp box. Was a shame that they couldn't make it a true bolt in conversion so that if you blow the box/melt the clutch then you could just swap bits over rather than rebuilding the originals, and will be interesting to see how the engine likes running at such an tilt. Not sure how well it would work in a mini, the stock box does look hefty, and it is the same power as a cooper, so not much of an incentive (apart from reliability, 5 speed box ect ). See a couple of Ozy minis with GTTi lumps in them though, that is a conversion that makes sense to me ;D
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PhoenixCapri
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I know the shell is amazing Continued searching has brought me to turbo'd Aygos...... www.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t62768-0.htmlThe more I read about these little motors the more I think they might be worth seriously looking into as good motors for modifed small car's in the future. Hmmm and found this from Rotrex - IQ has same engine Toyota IQ Applicable body type: Toyota DBA-KGJ10 Year: December 2008 to current Engine Type: 1KR-FE 3cyl. 1000cc Drive train: 2WD(CVT) Kit Price $3150 Note: ¡The kit is made specifically for Toyota iQ 1KR-FEiCVTj ¡The kit has tested only with 100 octane gasoline ¡Spark plugs need to be replaced with #7 ¡Cooler reserve tank needs to be cut and separate from the fan shroud Stock: Power: 68ps Torque: 9.2kgm With Rotrex C15-16 Power: 85ps Torque: 11.3kgm So can up the power and torque a fair bit. With those numbers it'd even be good in something larger which you'd like economy from, rather than speed. Definately going to look a lot more into this!
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Some very nice quality work going into that conversion. It seems a lot of effort to me for a relatively low power rating, I'm sure you could get 67hp out of an Imp engine on carbs very easily, but it will certainly be reliable and quiet.
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Seth
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Just had a look at weights out of interest. An Aygo is 890kg. So 150kg more than an Imp. Or around 20%
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stealthstylz
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I think it's time for people to start using more modern engines in retro cars. Most people seem to stick with the more simple mid 90s to early 00's fuel injection engines rather than going for the most up to date units. With the price/availability of aftermarket ECU's it should be possible to make any engine run.
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Seth
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I think it's time for people to start using more modern engines in retro cars. Most people seem to stick with the more simple mid 90s to early 00's fuel injection engines rather than going for the most up to date units. With the price/availability of aftermarket ECU's it should be possible to make any engine run. Matt But then if you're having to run an aftermarket ECU on where's the advantage of spending more money on a newer engine? You may as well get something that has been around a little while longer with a proven track record. The nineties engines will currently be popular because that is what is in the scrapyards/affordable donor cars
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stealthstylz
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I'm thinking more of the small turbo engines that most manufacturers seem to use now. Has anybody got round a CANBUS wiring system without using an aftermarket ECU when installing an engine yet? Cars do stupid things now. For "safety" when a rear bulb goes in a Citroen C4 (iirc) it turns all the bulbs off in that light unit.
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PhoenixCapri
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This is my thinking as well stealthstylz. The problem with current ECU's is the CAN system. God even within the OEM its hard sometimes to find someone who can tell you what a warning light is, why something is down on power or even worse change something! "Downsizing" as it's called, is an industry buzz word at the moment, but it makes a lot of sense. Nice small light engine, that's good on fuel, but with a turbo to give the required performance without any real loss of economy. For me the new Ford Ecotech's will be very important in the modified world in a few years time - these even come in RWD format from Australia with a 6 speed box. And around 230-250bhp stock, and a hell of a lot of torque isn't bad! But the issue is the CAN intergrated ECU, so aftermarket systems will likely be an easier option to get it running, though matching the OEM cal could be an issue. What makes the little Toyota engine interesting to me is how many are currently in little cheap cars that will be worth nothing in a few years, and the fact that as fair as I know it's not a CAN system car as such. So fitting one electronically speaking is like a late 90's car if you want to use stock ecu, or piggyback with a turbo etc. I'm thinking of this in the case of someone who want enough power, not crazy amounts. For me 70bhp is plenty in an Imp/Mini. It'll be faster than stock, lots of fun to drive, very good on fuel (I bet circa 60mpg) and reliable. With a turbo it'd be fast, or enough for the next size up, dolly, viva etc Not going to set the world on fire, but more than enough to put a big smile on your face, plus it won't kill the rest of the car, or get you your licence lost! Those wanting big power can just pumb for a 2 litre turbo, and go scare themselves silly!
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I had a modded Imp and was plenty fast / powerful enough for me They can rev to quite high rpm if properly built and balanced without blowing up. Still not massiveley fast but good fun with impressive acceleration. I used to surprise XR2's (showing my age !) Paul H
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I can see these being popular in minis in a couple of years, as said, they will become cheap as chips. 70bhp may not be much more than a standard cooper, but what does a decent 1275 a series engine and box cost now? and the economy and comfort from the 5 speed would influence a lot of people I think. Racers and such wil keep paying over the odds for A series tunig, while those who enjoy 'spirited' driving can have plenty of fun with one of these.
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