MonzaPhil
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Sept 15, 2010 18:49:09 GMT
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Hello all. My friend has just become the owner of a 1972 P6 2000. He said it needed a bit of welding on the four corners of the floorpan so I got him to bring it over and stuck it on the ramp...  OK from a distance....    the metal bending out to the left is a very thin piece of tin that runs the length of the sill, it's so thin you could cut it with a Stanley Knife (other forms of sharp knife are available).  This is the good bit of the offside sill!! Looking up into the cavity of the sill, I can see rivet bums protruding, is this normal?   .... Now what? My thoughts are it's just too major a job for a car that isn't perfect elsewhere, paint poor, brakes suspect, interior not brilliant. To top it off, this was scheduled for an MOT mid next week. Are sills available? The jacking points are purely for show, the chassis rails where they kick up front and rear have the texture of digestive biscuit.... I think I'm going to bail on trying to resurrect this one. Anyone want to try to persuade me otherwise? Here, have my favourite P6 just for hanging around to the end of this plea for help:  |
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tofufi
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Sept 15, 2010 18:56:53 GMT
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The outer sill cover is just cosmetic, and bears no strength. It's only screwed to the bodywork and sill... and not required for the MOT. It's the inner sills which are the important bit... Also, they're a really really good drive. Well worth persevering with  I drive my 3500 as a daily...  Bodily stock, but with the 3.5 V8 with a few mods and the 5 speed 'box from an SD1 it goes quite well.   Power steering combined with the really great suspension and ride quality make it a fantastic everyday car. |
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MonzaPhil
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Sept 15, 2010 19:15:55 GMT
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I guess I should mention that the budget is basically a pack of rich tea biscuits. I've scrapped stuff 20 times better than this and I wouldn't give a second thought to re-chassising an old Land Rover... (not sure why, probably because it's all part of my job)  Also, 2 litres of four, slushbox, sagging springs and no power steering, household carpet and brake fluid getting into the inlet.... and it's been laid up for 2 or 3 years, microblistering all over, some duff body repairs and I've not poked particularly hard, I guess it'll need all the wings off, rear doors crusty. There must be a zillion better ones with V8s worthy of saving? For your troubles...    |
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robg2
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Sept 15, 2010 19:47:41 GMT
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It really depends on who's paying the bill and how keen they are. If rational thinking is involved, it's scrap as there will be better examples around that don't involve huge money. But... I've rebuilt cars as bad, as I'm sure many others will have.
Sometimes it's easier to rebuild a very rotten car as there's simply less to cut off. Cars with only some rot (where you can't quite bring yourself to cut off good bits to get to bad) and cars which have been patched badly and don't look that bad from the outside are normally the tricky ones.
An independant opinion though...
bin the shell (more of a skeleton for a P6) and build it into another one. Transfer trim / mechanicals / ID* / outer panels of course.
(*not that I can say that, you understand...)
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robg2
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Sept 15, 2010 19:50:05 GMT
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Oh... and of course the budget won't be a pack of biscuits. That's fairly clear!!!
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MonzaPhil
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Sept 15, 2010 19:59:10 GMT
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I see your point, cheers of course, the mechanicals are all of an unknown quantity too and the outer panels aren't 100%.... Re-shell is just too big a job to even consider. . . . How much for a roadworthy one nowadays? £7-800 t&t? be worth that and keep this one for bits but then I guess there's storage to worry about not to mention the money to get another. Bumpots. Glad it's not mine |
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robg2
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Sept 15, 2010 20:16:32 GMT
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Market value of the one you've got isn't much to be honest, but don't discount how much it might be worth in bits. I've had a variety of Austin 1100s and where I used to think (er, 20 years ago) that mundane used parts weren't worth keeping, all of a sudden there aren't many cars left and anything you can strip off a recent runner will all of a sudden be sellable.
From the sentimental point of view I don't like ending the life of a car that's somehow managed to cling onto the last 38 years, but the owner would be better off building a good car from an assortment of bits including a better shell!
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MonzaPhil
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Sept 16, 2010 18:28:33 GMT
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Got a guy coming to assess for welding tomorrow, managed to not give it to the scrap man today. Not enough metal in it for him to want it anyway  See what happens I guess. |
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Sept 16, 2010 21:30:39 GMT
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gn3dr
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Sept 16, 2010 22:59:02 GMT
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I guess I should mention that the budget is basically a pack of rich tea biscuits. I've scrapped stuff 20 times better than this and I wouldn't give a second thought to re-chassising an old Land Rover... (not sure why, probably because it's all part of my job) I'd say that Rover is well past it. Only worth restoring if there is sentimental value in it and then it would really have to be stripped back to the bar skeleton to do it properly. On another note... the MGB above is cool. I'm really liking that and all I can see different really is a set of 15"'s. It really works. |
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MonzaPhil
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Sept 17, 2010 7:24:01 GMT
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V8 too |
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Sept 17, 2010 9:55:55 GMT
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they make cool cars... But seeing as they can be had in roadworthy condition for next to nothing, And needing nothing more than a little fettling, Youve allready got a parts car there Buy another , strip the one you have and use parts as required.... |
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Sept 17, 2010 12:26:51 GMT
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Buy mine instead and have a V8?
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MonzaPhil
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Sept 17, 2010 21:11:11 GMT
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Buy mine instead and have a V8? Price? Pics? My metal magician came round today and was so appalled he wouldn't even quote!!! We've sent him some real curse word aswell and he's built Discoverys for us that have been missing a foot of metal around the entire perimeter of the vehicle!  |
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Sept 20, 2010 9:24:54 GMT
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retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=FSW&thread=86947&page=1It's a great car with an annoying small dent in boot I did and I've overfilled the ATF which has caused it to play up. I'm draining it out and retrying but keep getting other niggles come up (sticky throttle). Pretty sure a full afternoon spent on it would sort easy but with kids and two other old cars to do, both in need of work for MOT it's fallen to bottom of pile.
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. I can see (or cannot see maybe more accurate) the rear chassis rail in the third pic has almost completely disintegrated 
. Beyond the obvious sill grot, the rear axle would require a going over to check the condition of the 'elbows' (hub carriers) as being fabricated steel they have a habit of rusting to the point where the hubs can make a bid for freedom.
