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Jul 29, 2010 18:46:33 GMT
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Last Edit: Jul 29, 2010 18:48:32 GMT by retrowagen1234
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Jul 29, 2010 18:51:11 GMT
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You don't need to take the balljoint off to adjust the tracking - the steering arm will have a left hand thread and a normal thread -you slacken the locknuts and twist the steering arm, and the total length changes. The track rod end stays firmly affixed to the hub.
The last time I had tracking done I paid £15, but that was at a place that know me.
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Jul 29, 2010 18:53:28 GMT
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hmmmm didnt know that lol.. Would adjusting the camber being inc in tracking or is that a specialist field?
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Jul 29, 2010 19:01:06 GMT
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Camber is more a proper 4 wheel alignment thing, but its one that's easy to do at home with a spirit level if you've got a flat drive - Work out how much camber you want, work out how much of a gap at one end of the spirit level youll need and then tape some pennys to the spirit level to space it out, jack car up, adjust the camber a bit, let it down, roll it back and forwards to settle it then check again. Repeat til you're happy!
I just used the spirit level app on my iphone and set the camber on the lupo. Got it checked and it was accurate to 0.1 degrees (I set them both to 2.8 degrees - one was 2.8, the other 2.7 which I blame on my drive not being quite level.
EDIT: Do the camber first, as it'll throw your tracking out.
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Last Edit: Jul 29, 2010 19:02:32 GMT by cobblers
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CIH
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Jul 29, 2010 19:02:45 GMT
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A £15 tracking won't include camber. Don't know about Carltons but Omegas have camber adjustment and the subframe can be moved for castor. I imagine there's no adjustment for the rear, or at most toe.
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Jul 29, 2010 19:16:12 GMT
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a lot of places no longer doing camber. (modern cars are fixed normally)
do the camber youself either with a camber gauge from tbay or with a good old fashioned spirit level and some brains.
if you've got a flat drive you can do it youself with some string. it's how we do the race cars and how i will do my car when i can get a flat drive for an hour. there is a good video on youtube about it.
expect 15-20 notes if you get it done at a garage.
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Jul 29, 2010 19:21:21 GMT
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i got a camber gauge from frost that was invaluable when i dropped my cars , and sorted the camber before i got the tracking done
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stealthstylz
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Tracking/ alignment....stealthstylz
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You need a bit of toe out on the Carltons, if they set it with too little toe out/toe in you lose the steering self centering and it wipes the outer edges of the tyres out.
Matt
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ah Right... this sounds like something i can do  I'm still yet to get haynes in one hand and climb under to have a look , but thatll be this weekend when i get undersealing the inner wings.... So from the sounds of it. if i set the camber. Ill just send it to a garage for tracking..... and cheers for the tip stealthstylz, I just made a note of that |
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You need a bit of toe out on the Carltons, if they set it with too little toe out/toe in you lose the steering self centering and it wipes the outer edges of the tyres out. Matt Matt, toe out usually reduces self centring and increases tram lining. Are you sure it's different on the carlton? |
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Indeed - when I did the camber on the Lupo, I ended up with loads of toe out. It would wind itself up to full lock if you let go of the wheel with anything more than half a turn on.
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its rwd so should have slight toe in dialled in, should it not, the acceleration will bring the wheels back in.
self centering mostly comes from castor,does it not?
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its rwd so should have slight toe in dialled in, should it not, the acceleration will bring the wheels back in. self centering mostly comes from castor,does it not? Castor has a bigger effect but toe also helps due to ackerman angles. |
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i'm glad my memory still serves me well, i guess you've spent a fair amount of time researching all this with the locost eh back to the original topic, if you want a decent job you could take it to somewhere that uses a laser alignment machine to check the angles, adjust the toe to the factory settings, and maybe the rest if its easy, and you'll get a printout of all the angles of everything too. i had to have mine done this way as the regular gauges wouldnt fit on my wheel, too low ;D |
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If you're near WheelsInMotion - they'll do it, and they're bloody good too.
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stealthstylz
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Tracking/ alignment....stealthstylz
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Yup thats definetley the case. I set the tracking of mine to about 1/2 degree toe out and it lost the self centering and wiped a pair of brand new front tyres out in 3 months. Not sure what it is now, I just wound it out IN (trackrods behind bottom balljoint swivel) by 2 turns each side and its perfect.
Matt
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Jul 30, 2010 17:16:53 GMT
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hmmm guessing mine needs some playing with.. As from you lot talking self centring, Ive just driven to weymouth and back today and noticed its not straightening up completely... Its does albeit slowly and i find myself correcting it more than ive had to with past cars...
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Jul 30, 2010 19:00:59 GMT
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TBH unless it's under 3 years old or has ALL new bushes and suspension parts it's probably been set to zero, most back street tyre yards set all old cars to zero cos it's not worth faffing about getting it spot cos as soon as you drive off it's all out again, find out the factory measurment and make sure they set it that  You may find with correct tracking and tracked out tyres the steering will pull till the tyres wear into the new groove (so to speak)  |
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Jul 30, 2010 19:07:47 GMT
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If you are in eastleigh then the only place I recommend is supertracker! - absolutely fantastic. He also offers great advice on many things geometry related including being brutally honest about the condition of a car's shell. This advice is also echoed by many guys into club motorsport in the area. Highly recommended (and no I'm not affiliated, just a poor southampton student ) |
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Last Edit: Jul 30, 2010 19:08:46 GMT by jasonb360
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Jul 30, 2010 19:33:17 GMT
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RWD is almost always toe-in. Probably about 10" total (assuming 60" to a degree). Toe has to be really bad to spoil the self centering action. Like, >1 degree total. The main cause of self centering is a combination of SAI/KPI and Castor. Ackermann plays a part but it won't be that.
The interplay between camber, castor, SAI and ackermann is complicated to say the least.
Once a pattern of wear is establisherd on a tyre no amount of adjustment will save the tyre.
Oh and Carltons were notorious for seizing track rod ends.
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I'm still yet to get haynes in one hand and climb under to have a look , but thatll be this weekend when i get undersealing the inner wings.... 
