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Mar 18, 2010 17:39:51 GMT
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I've always wondered whats best when it comes to this.. When starting a cold engine, I often see people drive away immediatley, not giving the engine a chance to tick over at all. Does this do any harm? We can discount turbo cars since I know full well you need to let the engine idle so the oil can reach the turbo and fully pressurize, but does this apply to N/A cars? I tend to start the car, then put the seat belt on, put stereo on etc, then drive off, generally giving the car at least 15 - 30 seconds to warm up... Or am I worrying over nothing, and being anal?
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1992 Sierra XR4x4
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Mar 18, 2010 17:42:25 GMT
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I tend to walk my car doesn't like the cold
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Mar 18, 2010 18:14:47 GMT
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Drive off as soon as the oil light's gone off.
If it's a diesel wait about 10 seconds longer until the glow plugs turn off (sometimes the light goes off before the plugs) - found that out from my Uncle (Merc. technician) when he changed the glowplugs in my grandmother's Citroen.
Engines don't like running cold, and driving warms the engine much, much quicker than sitting stationary. Yes, the load on the engine is higher, but as long as there is oil moving around you're not going to do any harm. Also, the bit of the engine that probably has the least oil just after start-up is the camshaft, and the load on that is lowest at about 2500 rpm, IIRC.
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Mar 18, 2010 18:21:04 GMT
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I agree that a long idle to warm up does more damage than driving cold. I have a 75 VW golf owners manual right here that warns the owner to NOT to warm up the car by idling.
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Mar 18, 2010 18:34:50 GMT
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I generally drive off, but it is annoying because both ends of my commute are almost straight onto national speed limit roads, with the busy A1 one end of it! I keep the revs and speed low-ish until things are warming up.
On cold frosty mornings, I may hold the revs up a little to promote warming rather than just leave it ticking over.
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Mar 18, 2010 18:35:55 GMT
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I have to do a long warm up to start up in my car or it will die 30 seconds down the road and i'll look like a knob
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Mar 18, 2010 18:37:23 GMT
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Mar 18, 2010 18:38:29 GMT
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Drive straight off. Takes about 3 miles / 3 minutes to warm up, but idling will take 10 minutes to warm up. Plus I'm usually late.
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Mar 18, 2010 18:47:10 GMT
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I usually just turn the key, and weight until I can give a quick blip of the throttle without the engine bogging down, so I don't bog down and stall as I pull away. Usually takes about 30 seconds if that. If for some reason I do leave it idling to warm up (misted windows or the like) I tend to keep it at about 2000-2500rpm with the choke.
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Cold start - What do you do?BenzBoy
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Mar 18, 2010 18:48:13 GMT
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I read in my Mercedes handbook that it's best to drive straight off - one of the reasons they gave is that if it's left to warm up whilst stationary the transmission is still cold, and that's not really a good thing (although I can't imagine it to be that harmful, in a manual trans at least)
If the car doesn't run that well when cold (like the Bond) I usually have to let it warm up a little bit, otherwise it's a pig to drive and cuts out. But I usually get bored after a short time and just set off. I try to keep revs low although unless you're thrashing the ass off it I can't see that it'd do any harm just driving normally.
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Mar 18, 2010 18:59:26 GMT
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Good replies people. I never let the car warm up by just let it ticking over - its just that 10 - 15 seconds when belting up etc... I'm not a fan of the auto choke on my car (Sierra), it'll tick over at around 1000RPM when cold, then after a minute or so it just speed up to around 1500RPM, and if your in slow moving traffic takes ages to come off choke
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Mike
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Mar 18, 2010 19:00:53 GMT
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I'd read in a few places that it's best to set off as soon as you can once the car is started, and keep the revs down until it's warmed up. I've tended to do that with most cars I've had.
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Mar 18, 2010 19:01:26 GMT
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out of interest benzboy how long does the bond take to warm up such that it doesn't die?
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Mar 18, 2010 19:27:48 GMT
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Turn the key handbrake of and go. I don't start the engine untill I'm ready to move. Although have different reasons with each car.
With the Triumph it will flood itself if left to idle whilst on choke but is fine if you drive of. Further to benzboys comment about gearboxs when the engines cold my triumph wont take second without double clutching but is fine when warm.
With the DAF the choke pulls the idle just above clutch engagement speed so it ends up pulling against the hand brake. So I start it and go straight away to avoid slipping the clutch and putting that sort of strain on the engine. Saying that its always a bit gutless for the first 10mins or so.
Paul
p.s. Yantorsen your engine is pretty much the same as mine. It takes the 1300 about 5secs before its running sweet as a bell. Beware with Triumph overhead valves that they suffer from oil starvation at start up. To combat this a lot of people I know who own them will turn the engine over for a good ten seconds before pulling the choke so that it can start.
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Mar 18, 2010 19:38:43 GMT
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I too, have also heard that about Triumph engines, also (think it was) fitting a modern spin on oil filter with a non-return valve helps with inital start up on the 6 cyl. Triumph engines, since the crank is starved of oil for a split second on start up. I always go gentle and don't rev the engine over 3k until its warmed up. It makes me cringe when I see people thrash a cold engine
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Mar 18, 2010 19:50:50 GMT
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Its all overhead valve units from triumph be that in 1200, 1300, 1500 4 cyl guise or the big 6 pots. I have an oil pressure gauge on mine and it takes about 6 seconds for it to reach normal running pressure for tickover which on mine is about 30-40 psi depending on how much choke is being used.
Paul
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Cold start - What do you do?BenzBoy
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Mar 18, 2010 21:50:43 GMT
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out of interest benzboy how long does the bond take to warm up such that it doesn't die? Hmm, it's hard to say really because it's been getting warmer outside so it's been getting up to temp earlier! I'd say it takes about a mile before it sorts itself out. It's not up to temperature by then but it seems to be warm enough to stop spluttering, bogging down and popping down the manifold. I only need a little choke to start up now, and as soon as it's fired and idling I can take off. Bear in mind though that my carbs are in pretty poor shape and that's probably causing most of the problems! ;D
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Mar 18, 2010 21:52:05 GMT
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It makes me cringe when I see people thrash a cold engine I second that. I drive straight off, albeit very gently until it's properly warmed through. Possibly because I hate wasting petrol ;D
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Mar 18, 2010 22:09:25 GMT
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If I can physically drive off, I will, but my old mini and the new 106 seem to ice up on the inside of the screen more than the outside, and I can't bear to let anything touch the inside of the glass to scrape it off (ocd?) I don't often have to go anywhere in the morning (self employed) but if it's cold I'll start the car, put the blowers on at lock it with the spare key while I have a brew watching out of the front window just in case.
The mini would idle at about 2700rpm on choke and rattle every window on the street. The 106 idles at 1100 cold, and rattles every window in Rotherham.
But from my childhood reading (Haynes manual for a beetle and allegro, and the VW manual for a mk1 astra estate which I got out of the glovebox while while waiting for my nan in the supermarket) they all said to "drive off immediately" and it makes sense to me.
Saying that, I don't think it makes any difference for about 75% of the people on here. Setting off from cold straight away or not is the least of my engines worries, poor thing!
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Last Edit: Mar 18, 2010 22:11:16 GMT by cobblers
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Cold start - What do you do?BenzBoy
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Mar 18, 2010 23:00:41 GMT
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To be honest I think you can worry too much about these things (I probably do). Obviously prolonged thrashing from cold can cause accelerated wear over time, but I wouldn't imagine "normal" driving habits would have any measurable effect on the engine, whether warmed up or stone cold. Like justanotherhigh said, leaving the car idling for ages in the mornings just burns up precious petrol! ;D
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