Potter
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Feb 14, 2010 20:07:58 GMT
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Evening fellas. I've been thinking lately of lifting my Series 3 LWB Landy a bit.Not anything huge,for the looks mainly. Maybe 2 or 4 inches. It doesn't get used off road cos there's no where to use it properly in this country but it does a bit of towing and a lot of carrying of junk.Also ventures into the odd field and things like that. Looked at Volvo portal axles but the prices make it a no no so started thinking using One Ton Landy shackles. Can't seem to find any tthough. Any one ever done this? Can you please tell whats involved? WIll I need longer shocks/springs/brake flexis? And finally anyone got any for sale? ;D Cheers. Have some Series goodness. How I would have like mine to look with portal axles. Sadly only a dream now Gorgeous Series 1 Portal axles again. Chevy 350 under that bonnet! Cheers again Tom
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Last Edit: Feb 14, 2010 21:15:22 GMT by Potter
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Feb 14, 2010 20:12:01 GMT
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mount the axles under the springs
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Violet Vivid
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Feb 14, 2010 20:16:44 GMT
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what springs are you currently running hun? as Parabolics give about a 2" lift (plus Super ride!) or failing that the shackles off a 1-ton 109" (or adjustable ones) also give about a 1" lift xXx (incidently the series 1 is only a SWB, not a 107" here's a 107" (this one happens to be my inheritance )
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Violet, purple-loving Landy obsessed Purple-haired CyberPunk Almost model & occasional word wrangler regarding Landies xXxIf she can't decide on what kind of genitalia she likes to play with you're better off without her. Move on... play with Land-Rovers.
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megzy
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Feb 14, 2010 21:05:30 GMT
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you have four choices axles under the springs new tires (bigger diameter) bigger spring hangers parabolics mines a coiler but i have 265 fitted and its lifts the centre of the axle by about 1 inch really depends if u want ground clearance or articulation
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sowen
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Feb 14, 2010 21:06:40 GMT
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There's a limit on lifting the front by just the shackles before the front prop either runs out of extension or hits the engine crossmember. I made my own shackles because the 1 tonne shackles were too short, not to mention expensive. I cut them out of a sheet of 10mm steel plate, and used some spare spring bolts in sleeves halfway between the chassis and spring bolts. I can take pictures if you want.
I have seen tapered spacer plates that fit between the axle and spring to correct the change in orientation of axle to transmission when just extending the shackles, and I'm sure the same place sold matching pro-comp extended dampers and extended braided brake lines to match. One day I might make a double sliding joint front prop for my off-roader project and put the necessary recess into the crossmember. All this gives a very small lift, about up to 2".
To go further, do as popup says and mount the axles underneath, which I believe to do properly and safely is a huge job, mainly with setting up the steering rod angles, or extend the front spring hangers down in addition to the shackles, but again a lot of work for not much lift.
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Feb 14, 2010 21:11:37 GMT
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Even 2" makes a big difference, I have a defender thats got a 2" lift and it is way taller Not done a series but i would go parabolics first as it would improve the ride firstly and then you could add some more lift if needed
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Steve
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Feb 14, 2010 21:19:21 GMT
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When i put parabolics on my old 88" it gave it 1" poss 2" lift over standard 30yr old springs, and then when i put 265/75r16's on it looked taller again! So much so that it scraped the roof when putting it in the garage ;D I bought one-tonne shackles to put on it but was put off the fact that swb props were already at odd angles and didnt want issues with rear props falling apart on full articulation so never fitted them. You shouldnt have those probs with your LWB, but it would pay for you to fit parabolics first then assess the height a month or so later after the springs have settled.
Steve
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Potter
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Feb 14, 2010 21:21:53 GMT
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So again it's more complicated than I thought. Should got used to that with old cars by now.
Cheers for the correction Vee. Edited! Current springs are factory,rusty and hard as!
Popup,sowen,axle under spring sounds like too big a job.Like I said it's mainly for the looks. Cheers everyone parabolics it is then. A nice ride and a lift would be a win win situation! Especially with Maltese roads! Anyone recommend some good ones?
Oh dear,there goes more money ;D
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Potter
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Feb 14, 2010 21:24:37 GMT
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Cheers Steve. Already decided on paras! Don't suppose you still got the shackles though?
And Grunty,aweseme looking Defender mate!
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Violet Vivid
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Feb 15, 2010 10:18:27 GMT
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Violet, purple-loving Landy obsessed Purple-haired CyberPunk Almost model & occasional word wrangler regarding Landies xXxIf she can't decide on what kind of genitalia she likes to play with you're better off without her. Move on... play with Land-Rovers.
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Steve
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Feb 15, 2010 10:30:50 GMT
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MM4x4 is where i got mine from a few years back. If you do get any from there for god sake change the bushes for some genuine L/R ones cos mine lasted a couple of months before they failed. I tried polybushes but i wouldnt recommend them for a road truck as they transmit every single bump and pothole right to your backside Steve
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sowen
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Feb 15, 2010 20:05:48 GMT
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I just happened to be outside by the landy with the camera so I took a few pics and measurements Front: Rear: The front shackles are 5" between bolt centres and the rear 6" between bolt centres. With 235/85/16 or 265/75/16 I have 4" clearance between the tops of the tyres and the arches Cost me nothing as I already had the steel and bolts lying around ;D
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Feb 15, 2010 21:13:37 GMT
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FWIW if anyone is interested I have a good set of used parrabolics for a SWB that I keep on meaning to sell. Three leaf / HD rears.
Paul H
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Feb 15, 2010 21:37:50 GMT
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Lift? What is this 'lift' you speak of? I was of the understanding that cars could only go one way and that's... ...Get Down!
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Your car is not 'epic', this thread is not 'epic'....the OCEAN is epic, the UNIVERSE is epic.... please stop misusing this word!! It would appear Hotrods are the new VWs - aint fashion funny! '69 BUICK LESABRE 350
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Potter
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Feb 15, 2010 22:08:05 GMT
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Cheers yet again people! Vee,Steve how did you find your MM springs? Was their a noticeable improvement?
Sowen, looks like I;ll be copying you there mate! Any chance of a full view of said Landy?
Johnny, Low is a no-no off road!!;D
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Steve
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Feb 15, 2010 22:15:58 GMT
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Well, mine were comfy(for a series ;D ) but what you have to remember is because these springs are softer then standard is that you do get this thing called body roll which at first is a rather strange feeling even worse if you have a roofrack fitted . Also, if your running any decent power(i was using 3.5 rover v8), you tend to get quite a bit of rear axle wrap under heavy acceleration.......but the answer to that prob is just not to drive like you stole it(ive calmed down now). Apart from those little probs, deff worth fitting! Steve
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sowen
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Feb 15, 2010 22:20:54 GMT
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I'll try to get a photo tomorrow evening after work when there's no other cars blocking the view. I'm still amazed that no-one makes and sells affordable exended shackles for series landy's.
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Potter
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Feb 15, 2010 22:39:20 GMT
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Cheers Steve! Don't worry I ride behind a 2.25 diesel so max speed for economy and non-bleeding ears is 35 mph! One last question I promise! Did you extend the brake lines and what shocks did you use?
Much appreciated Sowen. How about giving it a shot yourself mate? I'll take the first set!
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Feb 15, 2010 22:47:18 GMT
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If I'm honest, i never really checked the brake lines at full articulation as i was lazy. I did change the lines for +2 braided just before i sold the truck but don't think it would have been an issue just with the springs fitted. As for shocks, at the same time as the springs i bought Pro-Comp +2 shocks and they seemed to be ok, but might be worth upgrading the shock bushes for polybush items cos after two years of road use they were sloppy and got me a advisory on MOT.
Steve
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sowen
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Feb 15, 2010 22:52:34 GMT
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It has been suggested by my dad with most things I make. The problem I had was drilling the holes, my hobby pillar drill really isn't up to drilling 9/16 holes through 10mm steel, let alone the 24 holes I drilled to make those shackles If you want to save some money, you could always strip your old leaf springs down, remove all the rust and re-assemble them if they haven't gone too flat or really blown apart with rust. I stripped mine and greased up all the leaves. They performed really well, soaking up the bumps in the road with minimal body roll unless pushed stupidly hard, and worked well off road. They're only a little flatter than the sandard spec replacements I have fitted on mine right now. If you're still not happy with them, you can then fit parabolics. My issue with parabolics is that they're always compared to the most shafted of standard leaf springs, which are fine if maintained regularly.
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