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Jan 30, 2010 18:58:10 GMT
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My mate got a comtesse break french micro car.He wants to get it uk registered.He cannot find a chassis number.Can it be took for a mot with out the chassis number.Its a 50cc engine.
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Jan 30, 2010 19:05:13 GMT
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It will have to be inspected by the DVLA and it will be issued a local chassis number. It can not be mot'd with a reg or a chassis number. When the chassis number has been issued then it will have to be stamped onto the chassis rails by an authorised dealers. When the MOT is completed and passed ok then the insurance document, mot certificate and the local chassis number sheet from the DVLA then they will issue either an age related plate or a Q-plate, does he have the french log book, if so take that it will help identify the year of manufacture, hope this helps.
Cheers,
Stu.
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Jan 30, 2010 20:28:17 GMT
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It is possible to have a V5 without a chassis number.
I know of a MK1 cortina that has no chassis/vin number, yet is MOT'd, taxed & MSA log booked for historic rallying. On the last MOT 'not found' was filed & has never caused a problem in the last 6 years.
Don't know how it got to that stage though, as that already had a reg number
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It needs a chassis number for an MOT ( otherwise how would they identify it to cross refer and issue a replacement certificate ,correctly numbered, when it gets registered ? ) .
If you contact the DVLA Local Office they will request an inspection. Without any form of identification ie chassis number they will request ,from you , a confirmation from an Owners clubs as to its authenticicity and originality.
So it's will be quicker for you to get that paperwork first from an owners club on the DVLA authorised V765 list and then approach the DVLA.
The DVLA will issue a replacement VIN number ( per Stuey T above ) .
You then MOT it on the chassis number and when you tax it they will only then issue a registration number and a replacement MOT certificate showing the newly issued age approppriate reg number.
As confirmed on rodsnsods it WILL require seatbelts but you will also need to see whether it needs a rear foglight and hazard flashers ( based on true date of manufacture not date of first registration in this country ) . It will also need to meet the correct emission specs based on that date . If it is a two stroke you may face difficulties on meeting specs, especially if manufactured after the change to stricter CO 3.5 level. Just a thought before investing too much time .
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Last Edit: Jan 31, 2010 9:43:40 GMT by kapri
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Jan 31, 2010 13:39:03 GMT
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The manufacture date is around 1972 to 1979. It is a two stroke so what year does the CO 3.5 level come in for the emissions.Also what year does the regs come in for hazards and fogs which is not much of a problem as it would be a good idea to have them.Thanks for the help.
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Jan 31, 2010 13:43:02 GMT
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The manufacture date is around 1972 to 1979. It is a two stroke so what year does the CO 3.5 level come in for the emissions.Also what year does the regs come in for hazards and fogs which is not much of a problem as it would be a good idea to have them.Thanks for the help. rear fogs came MOT law 1980 IIRC, and as for emissions- its a two stroke, its emissions exempt  My 1982 wartburg is 2 stroke and that goes no-where near an emissions probe come MOT time  |
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Jan 31, 2010 17:12:56 GMT
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Got Tee Shirt for this trying, in vein, to UK register my own French Microcar with 125cc two stroke engine. MOT isn't a problem - it's not having the proper French paperwork that is the stumbling point It's a Catch 22 situation. You NEED the French V5 which of course will have the VIN number. If no French V5 then you have to prove it's over 10 years old to avoid IVA test. The fact they haven't been made for years is irrelevant to DVLA - they need written proof of age based on VIN. That is first step - getting confirmation of age and then you can start to comply with the regulations for that year - fog lights, seatbelts, washers, etc. A place to try is joining RUM - www.rumcars.org/To be honest very few French Sans Permis microcars manage to get road registered for use in the UK as they fail to meet the Construction and Use requirements for their year of manufacture - mine doesen't. I think there is one Comtesse Break that is registered but how they managed it nobody knows - probably slip up by DVLA allowing it to pass ? Also road tax is based on it being a quadricycle so £125 pa even though only 50cc. In the end I gave up and accepted my Micorcar is a curio. Paul H |
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Jan 31, 2010 18:20:12 GMT
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The manufacture date is around 1972 to 1979. It is a two stroke so what year does the CO 3.5 level come in for the emissions.Also what year does the regs come in for hazards and fogs which is not much of a problem as it would be a good idea to have them.Thanks for the help. rear fogs came MOT law 1980 IIRC, and as for emissions- its a two stroke, its emissions exempt My 1982 wartburg is 2 stroke and that goes no-where near an emissions probe come MOT time I just checked the regs quickly and it reads as if it's exempt IF a personal import but other wise should be tested ? www.motuk.co.uk/manual_730.htm |
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Jan 31, 2010 20:34:20 GMT
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But you simply can't test a smoker, it will have HC's off the scale as it burns its own lubricant. It may be because there haven't been any offical UK two strokes since maybe when wartburg/IFA stopped official RHD imports in '76? certainly no UK built smokers since the 60's microcars I don't think? I know the guy who does IFA club memberships has a two stroke barkas registered 1990! so therefore all 2 strokes will have been personal imports like you suggest I'd like to know what it says about motorbikes as obviously you could get 2 strokes upto a few years ago. |
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Jan 31, 2010 21:49:36 GMT
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pre 76 cars don't have to have emissions test as far as i know
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69 Plymouth Fury Convertible 75 Range Rover 2 door 82 Range Rover 4 door
84 Range Rover 4 door 78 Datsun 120Y 2 door 78 Datsun 120Y Coupe
78 Datsun 620 Pickup 81 Datsun Urvan E23 86 Datsun Vanette van
98 Electric Citroen Berlingo 00 Electric Peugeot Partner 02 Electric Citroen Berlingo 76 Honda C50
04 Berlingo Multispace petrol 07 Land Rover 130 15 Nissan E-NV200 15 Fiat Ducato
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Jan 31, 2010 22:33:32 GMT
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Pre '73, visual smoke only . It doesn't appear that motorbikes need emission checks ? www.motuk.com/bike/1-1.aspThere are different regs for later registered quadricycles ( mid 90's I think ? ) but need to meet various weight and other regs but the laws do not apply retrospectively. "Quadracycle (licence group B1) - 3 or 4 wheel motorvehicles not exceeding 550kg unladen weight, but exceeding 50kmph and 50cc. This is a relatively unknown group that brings the UK more in line with Europe. If these type of vehicles exceed 550kg, they then fall into the motorvehicle group." www.rustek.co.uk/legal.phpSpecial notice re quad emmissions but based on weight etc. www.motuk.co.uk/images/SpecialNotice02-03.pdf |
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Last Edit: Jan 31, 2010 22:57:45 GMT by kapri
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Just checked the MOT manual, visual smoke only for Pre Aug 1st 1975, also says two stroke does not need tested unless requires a catalyst.
Russell
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I stand corrected !
Have a look re the 2 stroke bit though, that's under the 'personal imports' sction and it does say no emission test on qudadricycles in the section above but then it would have to meet the weight requirements to qualify or be classed as a car.
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If its classed as a Quadracycle would it still need seat belts by law.
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Its load weight is 550kg and unloaded 243kg
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Also think it was made 1980
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