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Dec 15, 2009 23:05:40 GMT
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Rover Metro - The TARDIS - brake problems.....Stored Rover 75 - Barge MGZTT Cdti 160+ - Winter Hack and Audi botherer... MGF - The Golden Shot...Stored Project Minion........ Can you see the theme?
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From that angle it looks like an Audi TT with a different nose, but it's not a bad design. Looks expensive though, in a way the Escort shouldn't be. I'm a big believer that these retro revivals of cars should fit into the same sort of market position as the originals, rather than being top-end luxury models. In other words, the new Fiat 500 should be priced about the same or less than a Panda, etc. Oh, and Minis should be much cheaper. I don't know what they're like in Europe, but over here the Mini range starts with the Cooper and it costs more than a full-sized 6-cylinder family sedan, as does the 500. I do understand that these cars would have to be very different to achieve these price points, but to me the current spiritual successor to the Mini is something like the Suzuki Swift, which has obviously been styled to look like a round-nose Mini, and costs about half as much as the BMW Mini!
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The 500 and the Mini are both reasonabley priced over here, your obviously only getting the expensive versions down under, that Escort concept isnt anything official, its been floating round the net for a couple of years now, Ford wont have anything to do with reviving the escort, they wont even help the classic guys remanufature panels for the originals, if they were gonna build a retro in Europe it would be the Capri, but no one would buy it as they cant build it RWD.
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"no one would buy it because its not RWD" in the same way nobody would buy a new Beetle because its not rear engine or air cooled? Nobody would buy a new Mini because its too big?
Different people would buy it. There has already been a successful FWD Capri sold darn under and in the US of A.
The real reason there will be no "new Capri" in our market is because to the vast number of potential car buying public the name "Ford Capri" brings up an image of Del Boy Trotter or similar which is not what the marketing guys want in a brand!
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Nice concept and very interesting. A lot of work has clearly gone into that but TBH I'm not feeling much Mk1 Escort when I look at it.
I agree with PopUpToaster about a new Escort not being something Ford would see as viable. Poor brand image, small following etc... I think Ford have also learnt that the hot versions of their ordinary cars do dramatically better than their bespoke sporty models ie Puma and Probe.
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Dec 16, 2009 10:03:08 GMT
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"no one would buy it because its not RWD" in the same way nobody would buy a new Beetle because its not rear engine or air cooled? Nobody would buy a new Mini because its too big? Indeed, the car manufacturers know they need to develop a product which appeals to those original fans today. As consumers we're pretty superficial and only want to buy into the name and style.
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Dec 16, 2009 10:25:40 GMT
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It's a nice concept. As Ford will never make it and why should they. Shame however they do not support the maintaince of the old models like BMW do. However that should not stop someone making it themselves and putting it on an old escort chassis (did they have chassis?)
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Dec 16, 2009 13:39:49 GMT
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"no one would buy it because its not RWD" in the same way nobody would buy a new Beetle because its not rear engine or air cooled? Nobody would buy a new Mini because its too big? Different people would buy it. There has already been a successful FWD Capri sold darn under and in the US of A. The real reason there will be no "new Capri" in our market is because to the vast number of potential car buying public the name "Ford Capri" brings up an image of Del Boy Trotter or similar which is not what the marketing guys want in a brand! No one bought the Probe when it was touted as the "New capri", FWD and to expensive being the main reasons i kept hearing.
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Dec 16, 2009 13:56:13 GMT
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the guys who did that also did a few others,i forget what they were now but they did do a subaru wrx concept that i posted a pic of in the no rhyme no reason thread ;D
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MWF
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Dec 16, 2009 14:04:45 GMT
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"no one would buy it because its not RWD" in the same way nobody would buy a new Beetle because its not rear engine or air cooled? Nobody would buy a new Mini because its too big? Different people would buy it. There has already been a successful FWD Capri sold darn under and in the US of A. The real reason there will be no "new Capri" in our market is because to the vast number of potential car buying public the name "Ford Capri" brings up an image of Del Boy Trotter or similar which is not what the marketing guys want in a brand! No one bought the Probe when it was touted as the "New capri", FWD and to expensive being the main reasons I kept hearing. Nobody bought the Probe? Bit extreme LOL! I'm sure within your social circle people grumbled at the drivetrain layout. But generally consumers don't think like car enthusiasts, they are looking for an aspirational brand to buy into and Ford/Capri is one of the least aspirational out there in the UK.
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Dec 16, 2009 14:11:40 GMT
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Let sleeping dogs lie, thats what I say, always interested to see stuff like this though, but in reality the likes of me ain't gonna get my grubby mits on it till it's truly retro anyway and replaced by a series of next bestest newest improved things. I think we all know which ones gonna always be the bestest ;D
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Dec 16, 2009 14:16:38 GMT
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No one bought the Probe when it was touted as the "New capri", FWD and to expensive being the main reasons I kept hearing. Nobody bought the Probe? Bit extreme LOL! I'm sure within your social circle people grumbled at the drivetrain layout. But generally consumers don't think like car enthusiasts, they are looking for an aspirational brand to buy into and Ford/Capri is one of the least aspirational out there in the UK. Maybe normal car buyers do, but not the sort of buyers interested in things like RS Fords, or the Capri, there are plenty of guys spending 15 to 20 grand building YB powered escorts, Cortina and Capris that may well have spent that money buying a fast RWD Ford had one been available, just check out web sites like turbosport or OSF to see the amount of em there are around, the price of mk1 and 2 escorts went through the roof 5 or 6 years ago because demand exceeds supply. If Ford knocked out a 15 grand reasonably lighweight RWD coupe with 150bhp in the basic model they'd sell loads, witness the success of the 'Stang in the states, we have guys with same mentality over here, make it a hatchback and offer some deisel engines and you might even catch some company car drivers, higher spec models may even take a few of BMW's customers, the Capri has been gone long enough for the chavvy image to disipate, more people remember the good side of it nowadays i reckon.
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Dec 16, 2009 14:26:55 GMT
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In principle I see your point, however we have to consider the perceived appeal of the Mustang brand and how Ford is perceived in the US as opposed to the UK.
We also have to consider what has been successful in the UK that's targeted the same user base.
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Dec 16, 2009 14:31:10 GMT
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I'm no marketting man, maybe your right, it just seems to me that ford seemed to abandon a good proportion of fans and instead start buying up other makes, an RS nut is not gonna go buy a Jag or Volvo just because Ford own it.
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Dec 16, 2009 15:08:05 GMT
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most of the people who bought Capris new were not RS enthusiasts interested in anything other than the fact that the car was trendy at the time due to The Professionals or whatever. The Capri was not a niche car, it was mas market and the number sold with a 1.3 or 1.6 engine proves many buyers were buying the look and the advertising and nothing to do with performance or handling.
The cost of developing a niche car like a lightweight RWD coupe would mean Ford would either need it to be a mass market car to offset the investment or they'd need to sell them for silly money.
And calling it a Capri would kill it stone dead with 90% of potential car buyers.
We know what we like in cars, but we don't buy new ones.
The probe probably failed (in sales terms) due to the lack of a 1.6 4 pot engine option.
Now it would need to have a 1.9 common rail diesel to sell big numbers.
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Dec 16, 2009 15:12:10 GMT
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I'm no marketting man, maybe your right, it just seems to me that ford seemed to abandon a good proportion of fans and instead start buying up other makes, an RS nut is not gonna go buy a Jag or Volvo just because Ford own it. Well I'm a marketing consultant and I agree with you. Ford did disband a lot of potential life advocates and focused on buying up market share and acquiring competitors intellectual property. It's no surprise now that going on a site like PassionFord shows most enthusiasts there own older Fords and/or newer competing marques. They should never have tried to brush previous sub-brands and models under the carpet, but rather improve them over time. They went head to head with Vauxhall in this new hot hatch brand war despite having a massive heritage advantage. Dropping the XR brand in favour of ST sent a clear message out to XR fans "We don't want your type associated with us any more". Diluting the RS brand has sent those fans looking elsewhere like Mitsubishi and Nissan.
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Dec 16, 2009 16:03:50 GMT
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thats been around about 4 years now saw that a long time ago. but it will never happen...
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Last Edit: Dec 16, 2009 16:04:22 GMT by bigkris
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Dec 16, 2009 16:15:48 GMT
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There has already been a successful FWD Capri sold darn under and in the US of A. Side note to AK: The Oz "Mazda" 2-seat FWD Capri sold *poorly* here in the States. It debuted at around the same time as the Miata, and the 2-seat buyers beat path for the Miata. At the same time, Pontiac had perfected the Fiero 2-seater and then left the playing field 1 year after the 5-speed turbo version was offered! So, Mazda enjoyed no competition in the marketplace for moderately priced 2-seaters. And then Ford (which owned a huge chunk of Mazda anyway) pulled the plug on importing the Oz-built Mazda FWD Capri.
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Dec 16, 2009 16:39:08 GMT
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I always thought the Probe didn't sell well because it was called "The Probe" and it looks like a suppository... Which is a shame really, because I thought the adverts were very cool when I was a kid. Got to be a very cheap way of getting a 2.5l V6 now though. Gareth Cheeseman probably didn't help either... "You're a tiger... RAH!"
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