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Sept 23, 2009 14:09:29 GMT
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I've possibly been offered a towing dolly. I gather to use it the towed car has to have MOT Tax and Insurance. Has anyone used one to pick up a car without this and had any problems?
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stealthstylz
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Towing dollies....stealthstylz
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Sept 23, 2009 14:40:51 GMT
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If its a proper dolly that lifts the front wheels the car doesn't need MOT tax or insurance as its effectively a trailer.
Matt
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Sept 23, 2009 14:45:44 GMT
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That's good...... I also read that it can only be used for vehicle recovery rather than transportation, anyone had any problems with this?
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stealthstylz
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Towing dollies....stealthstylz
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Sept 23, 2009 14:54:27 GMT
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Whats the difference? We towed my uncles Camaro all over with one.
Matt
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Sept 23, 2009 15:26:30 GMT
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I own one of each- A frame, Dolly& Trailer-and dolly nearly always comes ''last choice'.
I hate the loading/unloading issues. the height of it, looming in the rearview mirror, the peculiar stance, and the way it feels on roundabouts, adverse camber etc.
I would only tend to use it for autos,and then much prefer the trailer-weight dependant.
A framing is so much safer-less weight, lower to the ground, wheels in each corner-(eradicating sway) , simplicity to load/unload -I could go on.
I've been hauling for years- never been stopped doing any of the above. As long as it looks ''broadly right'' they'll leave you alone.
Legally though- believe its all 4 - leastways according to my friendly DVLA Prosecutor (yes-really)
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Sept 23, 2009 15:42:00 GMT
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That's good...... I also read that it can only be used for vehicle recovery rather than transportation, anyone had any problems with this? the towed vehicle becomes a trailer and if its permisable max weight is over 750kgs which all current cars are, even smart cars, it needs brakes on all road wheels and if was manufactered recently (post 2001 maybe?) it needs an auto reverse feature, no dolly and car can meet those regs, neither can A frames, this is why they are supposed to be for recovery only, yes people get away with it, but people get away with driving with no tax and insurance or not wearing a seatbelt, its still illegal. |
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Sept 23, 2009 15:49:01 GMT
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Well, I've just bought one for £100 so I'm happy with that. It needs a lick of paint and I'll grease the hubs but it seems like a bargain to me. Guess I should probably only use it localish though to avoid problems.....
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Sept 23, 2009 16:20:49 GMT
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tow dollies are for recovery only not for transporting with & restricted miles to use them & a 20mph speed limit on a roads & 40 mph on motorways although most people use them for a wide range of things if you are not on a roadside recovery then you are breaking the law
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Sept 23, 2009 23:54:14 GMT
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towed a p100 with another one ,M25 to sheffield last week via M1 & been allover country with it & plod don't seem bothered, but as said strictly not legal but if it looks ok they seem to leave you alone.
bout 4 years ago towed a lwb transit with a ford F350 & traffic car just drove past looked then carried on.
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theres more to life than mpg & to much power is just enough.
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Sept 24, 2009 7:23:44 GMT
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I towed another Range Rover 30 miles on an A frame last week, so its not like i'm preaching, just filling you in on what i've found out over the last few months.  |
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Sept 24, 2009 15:17:45 GMT
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I understood strictly they weren't legal and beleived the Police don't tend to worry about them, thought I'd ask though incase something happened and they decided to start prosecuting.....
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MrT
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Sept 24, 2009 15:25:01 GMT
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I know I say this every time, but they're not legal. Whether a passing Street Prefect gives a second glance or not, if you're involved in some sort of accident/incident, your insurance will be null and void and they WILL throw the book at you. Edit: And if it's me, someone I know, or my property you injure or damage when that incident occurs, I'll hunt you down...  |
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Last Edit: Sept 24, 2009 15:26:59 GMT by MrT
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Sept 24, 2009 16:20:16 GMT
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I used to tow my 205 all over the place with a dollie. I think it is technically illegal but i saw loads of traffic cops and none of them pulled me over whilst towing so i'm not sure they really care.
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Sept 24, 2009 16:29:21 GMT
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A framing is so much safer-less weight, lower to the ground, wheels in each corner-(eradicating sway) , simplicity to load/unload -I could go on. I've been hauling for years- never been stopped doing any of the above. As long as it looks ''broadly right'' they'll leave you alone. I recently borrowed an A-frame and got a mate to check with his traffic cop mates. thier view - it's a trailer as long as there's nobody in it (so no mot/insurance needed), weights must look ok (don't tow a jag with a fiesta . No mention of needing brakes on any wheels - but reading above posts I'm sure bigger (750kg ?) trailers need brakes  |
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Sept 24, 2009 16:42:22 GMT
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A framing is so much safer-less weight, lower to the ground, wheels in each corner-(eradicating sway) , simplicity to load/unload -I could go on. I've been hauling for years- never been stopped doing any of the above. As long as it looks ''broadly right'' they'll leave you alone. I recently borrowed an A-frame and got a mate to check with his traffic cop mates. thier view - it's a trailer as long as there's nobody in it (so no mot/insurance needed), weights must look ok (don't tow a jag with a fiesta . No mention of needing brakes on any wheels - but reading above posts I'm sure bigger (750kg ?) trailers need brakes they do, but that 750kgs limit isn't the weight of the trailer (or car) while your towing it, its the manufacturers maximum permissable loaded weight for that vehicle, also all trailer wheels must have equal braking force so even on an A frame with a braking device (ours has a cable that operates the cars brake pedal) a car is still not legal as the front brakes will be a lot stronger than the back ones. |
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Sept 24, 2009 20:29:34 GMT
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The 750kg is the maximum towable amount for any car, regardless of actual towing capacity, if the trailer is not braked - ie pretty much any A frame or towing dolly set-up.
Not sure what I'm adding here. Think the above covers it quite nicely. It's a very grey area so while you're unlikely to get stopped, should the worst happen, it wouldn't be much fun.
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Sept 24, 2009 22:57:40 GMT
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The 750kg is the maximum towable amount for any car, regardless of actual towing capacity, if the trailer is not braked - ie pretty much any A frame or towing dolly set-up. Not sure what I'm adding here. Think the above covers it quite nicely. It's a very grey area so while you're unlikely to get stopped, should the worst happen, it wouldn't be much fun. you got the wrong end of the stick, the 750kgs relates to the trailer, but its not the weight of the trailer as you happen to be towing it, its whatever the manufacturer says is the max permissable weight of the trailer including its load. So if your A framing a car (lets say an original mini) thats a bare shell with just its wheels on it, its gonna weigh well under 750kgs, but thats not the weight that applies, the weight that applies is what the manufacturer says is the maximum all up weight that a min can be before its overloaded ie. the weight of a fully built up car, with 4 passengers on board, full of fuel and full of luggage etc etc. If you have a 600kgs car trailer, it still needs brakes even if its not loaded because the manufacturer will have rated it to carry a 1500kg car on it for example, so its max permissable weight will be 2100kgs and is well over the 750kgs limit despite being under it when empty. |
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Sept 25, 2009 13:46:55 GMT
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Sorry, but I believe I'm still right for UNBRAKED weights. I've found one source that says it's 750kg or half the towing vehicle's weight, whichever is the smallest, but frankly searching around the government sites has left me completely baffled and I've not got time!
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Sept 25, 2009 16:21:24 GMT
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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luckygti
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Sept 26, 2009 13:58:04 GMT
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OK, I've read all of the above, and am watching a motor on EBay that would need towing. A Frame seems the easiest way to go and they're a lot cheaper than a trailer!! So, loads of big campers have them to tow their little city cars? Surely that can't be illegal can it?
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