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captainmatt Part of things Posts: 394	Advice on:captainmatt @captainmatt
	Jun 10, 2009 20:56:08 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	MIG welderers. Indeed. I have just above "acceptable" skill in arc welding, but I'm forever messing about trying to get an arc struck, resulting in lots of electrode sticking, and thus naff welds because I'm not keeping a continuous bead going. Can someone explain to me the quality difference between gas and gasless? Obviously I know a gasless will be inferior not having the inert shield, but are they worth it? Granted I really would prefer a gassed one, but they seem to be pricey. Whats the situation like with getting gas? Is it easy? Is it pricey? Also, can anyone suggest good places to actually buy one. I've poked my dads Screwfix catalogue, and theres a gasless for £80, and a gassed one for £150 (gassed one also accepts gasless flux wire) Thanks for reading ~Matt~ And of course have some piccys for your troubles


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shedspeed Part of things Posts: 410	Advice on:shedspeed @shedspeed
	Jun 10, 2009 21:14:00 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Gasles are not worth it. never seen a good weld done with a cheap gasless mig set. It might be cheap but if you're trying to learn with a mickey mouse set it'll knock your confidence. Try and find a Cebora/Snap-on set, they are the shizzle, I'd sooner have a used one of those than a new Clarke set, and I'd sooner dangle my plums in a blender than buy a gasless set. Jonny69 suggested a place, IIRC, called welders warehouse, 3 large bottles of gas for just over £30. This could have been made up by my imagination, but it sounds about right, that's a fair bit of welding you could do with that. As an afterthought, a couple of weekends ago, I was involved in welding a friends car together. I tried a cheap gasless mig, which no matter how I set it up, blew holes and was massively unpredictable, I gave up with it. I used my 150a clarke mig with gas, which is cheap and frankly a bit toytown, but it welds ok and you can get used to it although its pretty much useless for most things, but I also used his works welder, a 180a Cebora set with gas, and I never blew a single hole or produced a weld I wasn't happy with.
	Last Edit: Jun 10, 2009 21:19:17 GMT by shedspeed "Chasin' the gash, with a four-out-the-dash"

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captainmatt Part of things Posts: 394	Advice on:captainmatt @captainmatt
	Jun 10, 2009 23:47:30 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Thanks for that, I had a feeling gasless was a bit useless, but decided to ask nonetheless. When I was at college, we had this massive MIG, I have no idea what brand it was, but the gas cylinder was as tall as me, that thing was pretty awesome (hence the reason for wanting a MIG since I know full well I can lay some really strong lines down) I'll have a look at Cebora, but I'll also have a look at Clarke since they might be more within my budget. Thanks for your help ~Matt~


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Butterz Posted a lot Posts: 1,492	Advice on:Butterz @nostrebor777
	Jun 11, 2009 0:15:29 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Jun 10, 2009 21:14:00 GMT shedspeed said: Jonny69 suggested a place, IIRC, called welders warehouse, 3 large bottles of gas for just over £30. www.thewelderswarehouse.com/Welding/Mig___Tig_Gases.html £35 aint too bad. I Used gasless for quite some time (the set was bought for me ) and found it quite difficult but not impossible to use, couldn't really see what was going on with the weld pool though. I converted to gas a few weekends ago together with an auto darkening mask and the difference was amazing! So much easier and I've yet to blow a hole through anything (apart from a practice peice ) In essence, Don't bother with gasless, its useless unless your welding in a gale
	Last Edit: Jun 11, 2009 0:45:47 GMT by Butterz Faster. Faster. Until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death.

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surprisingskoda Probably posted too much Posts: 10,922	Advice on:surprisingskoda @surprisingskoda
	Jun 11, 2009 0:19:41 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	what they said. switching from gasless to gas has meant i can actually weld now, and i don't have to kick the welder with steel toecaps to vent frustration. its great!
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