Potter
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'E who dares wins,eh Rodders??!
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May 17, 2009 20:51:39 GMT
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More cars than sense or money!🙄
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May 17, 2009 23:30:11 GMT
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i would avoid that like the plague get a later engine, its smaller, and easier to get bits for. something from the 70s. not expensive as lots of muscle car boys have em sitting around because they've gone for bigger engines. they did a 360ci engine too , (same physical size) any bigger and they go to the 'big block' which are , bigger, obviously.
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harris66
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drive it, break it, fix it and make it quicker!
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318 makes all the right noises, and can be made to go quite well but you need cam, heads, intake with 4 barrel, big exhausts, if your going to want to go fast, and your going to the trouble of an engine swap id give the 318 a miss. was an article in this months hot rod mag, a budget 350 chevy build, the guys there spent 2000 dollars and made 400hp and 450ftlb torque.
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1.2 corsa daily, 1.8t a4 avante, 6.3ltr austin a40....
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I wondered what Datman was smoking until I twigged that the 318 in question was the flamin' polyhead.
Leave the polyhead to restorers and nostalgia rodders. Almost nothing is available for it.
The 318LA / Commando and the later Magnum version are good little engines. As has been said you can get a 360 in the same package and thats what most people do since more displacement means more power basically for free (and a better torque curve)
I wouldn't dismiss the 318 though. You can pick em up for next to nothing since everybody who has one wants a 340, 360 or a big block but they can be built same as any other small block Mopar and they can run well.
A couple of the magazines have had 318 budget builds (no point in doing anything else with a 318) recently and derived good power from them. last one was 377 BHP which in a Cortina would go well. One before that was like 420 BHP. I forget. I see a lot of engine build features and really so long as the parts are available not much else matters because the engine doesn't care what brand name there is on the rocker covers, a 2 valve pushrod V8 is a 2 valve pushrod V8 at the end of the day, they do the same job.
Harris66 is right though, a small block Chevy will always be cheaper to build.
To fit in a Cortina or Capri I would get a small block Ford though. I'd get a 5.0 HO from a '87 and later Mustang.
Why?
They are smaller and lighter than the Chevy, and cheaper to build than the Mopar. The distributor is at the front which means you can tuck the motor up nice against the bulkhead and the sump (on the Mustang) is the right shape to miss the steering rack and crossmember in the Cortina 3/4/5. Castlemaine Rod Shop sell exhaust manifolds which fit the small block V8 Ford in a Cortina, also sell other parts which will help in your swap.
The 5.0 version comes as standard with forged pistons, reasonable heads, reverse flow cooling system, roller cam, tough bottom end, etc. and is a good base for a mild (300-400 BHP) street engine.
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Last Edit: May 18, 2009 9:39:40 GMT by akku
1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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30psi
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May 18, 2009 22:46:06 GMT
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Other consideration is to get a engine with good gearbox choices. Now I'll be honest I know little about mopar's but I'd be surprised if they had as many gearbox options as the small block chevy's and fords.
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May 19, 2009 12:28:52 GMT
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your off-the shelf boxes are the A904 (and derivatives) and TF727A 3 speed auto boxes, or the A500 series (and derivatives) 4 speed overdrive automatic. The A518 is the "best" of these. I don't think the bellhousing is the same as the modern Mopar Hemi so those boxes won't fit without adaption.
The manual boxes for these engines are the poverty 3 speed and the A833 / New Process 4 speed. Avoid the 3 speed manual and the 4 speeds are sought after by restorers so will be pricey. They are also well rare.
Keisler does a 5 speed conversion kit using the Tremec trans and I have heard of people using the Dakota V6 manual bell housing to fit a Supra 5 speed box behind them (poss also thr 6 speed?) although you will need to machine your own clutch pressure plate spacer and maybe the spiggot bushing as well.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Potter
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'E who dares wins,eh Rodders??!
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May 19, 2009 20:44:44 GMT
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Whoa lot to digest there! Thanks guys! AK explain polyhead please. Something like hemihead?
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More cars than sense or money!🙄
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mk14dr
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May 19, 2009 22:02:32 GMT
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I was going to start looking at the cost of conversion parts for one of the 302's into the escort but I'm begining to think that maybe it'll be a touch tight for the headers against the struts Anyone seen it done?
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May 21, 2009 12:41:19 GMT
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polyhead is a combustion chamber shape, yeah, AFAIK. I know little about the 318Poly, it was a short lived engine and not much missed.
I've seen Rover V8s in Mk1 Escorts and that looked tight enough! Bulkhead and trans tunnel mods are required. The 2 are similar sized engines, if anythign the Rover is the narrower IIRC. But theres not much in it.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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