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Mar 31, 2009 17:07:56 GMT
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I've had 2 quotes to paint my mini,and they both want £1500 to do it.Its a bare shell,so it needs doing underneath, inside,outside and under the bonnet.Now awhile ago i would have happily spent that on spraying it but the credit crunch has finally caught up with the company i work for and i'm on short time working. So the way i see it i'm short on money but long on time.And i want have a go myself and save some money and at the same time learn a new skill.Where do i start,what materials do i need other than the obvious paint and thinners.I have a spray gun and compressor that i got from Aldi(stop laughing) is that anygood?I've painted things with rattle cans and thats my limit so far.i want to get this mini ready for the IMM in Birmingham in the summer.As its the 50th anniversary of the mini this year and the fact that my car has been off the road since 2003 i think its time to get it on the road again.HELP! i want to turn this negative work situation into a positive.Can anyone advise me? [ ]
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Mar 31, 2009 17:15:42 GMT
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Sounds like a great plan and I admire anyone who tackles something like this. Wish I had the balls to spray my own car! Good luck to you and let us know how you get on. Regarding actualy doing the job/tips/tricks etc....have a read of this amazing thread by Akku - I think it'll pretty much cover everthing you need to know as well as giving quite a mojo boost to get you started. retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=usetharch&action=display&thread=48784Keep us updated....
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Mar 31, 2009 17:20:12 GMT
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Thanks for the link Mystery Machine,thats the kind of thing i need!
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Mar 31, 2009 17:23:32 GMT
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I'm a car painter , would be easier to talk on msn , pm me if you want to
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roasty
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Mar 31, 2009 21:38:37 GMT
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With a garage that large and the car fully stipped paying £1500 to paint it's a joke. I can't believe you got quoted that tbh.
I would reckon Celly is your only option for home use. You probably need 3l of primer., 3l paint, 3l thinners, probably cost £100 that that lot. Get a decent compressor and HVLP gun. Get disposable overalls and a decent face mask. Sheet the place off and wet down the floor. Make sure the whole shell is fully degreased and use a tack rag to get any dust off. Get stuck in but spend some time setting up the gun to avoid too much paint, too much air etc. Practice on some spare panel if you have any.
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Last Edit: Mar 31, 2009 21:39:27 GMT by roasty
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tycho
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Mar 31, 2009 22:40:42 GMT
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Sorry for the thread hijack but when painting new replacement panels, are you supposed to strip the black paint they come covered with or just prep the surface & start with the primer.
cos it must take plenty of coats to turn a black panel white but on the other hand stripping paint is a right pita.
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Mar 31, 2009 22:49:33 GMT
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Few things already covered here, but here is my advice...
Get a decent gun, i have a Devilbiss gravity feed gun and i love it, but that wasnt cheap, and unless your going to respray a few cars, its probably not worth spending a massive amount, Clarke do a nice range of guns for beginners, so have a look at those (Machine Mart do them i think).
Please do remember that if you do get a gravity feed gun, as soon as you start spraying upside down the paint will stop feeding to the gun. So get a good gun which is suction feed too.
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"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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This is what mine cost me:
Filler: £20 Stopper: £15
Compressor was £40 second hand, spray gun £25, lines say another £10
Paint came to £110 I think, that's primer, topcoat and thinners
Sanders and all the paper came to about £100
Roll of polythene from Jewson £39
Then you need the rubbing compounds and polish which will be about another £100
You also need mask and disposable overalls and gloves which again will come to another £50
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purplevanman
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1500 quid!!! kin L, I would say that you may struggle with aldi compressor though, paint a bit wait, paint a bit wait etc Closer and I would pop round and help
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you get what you pay for. When I was in the MMA a chap paid £20K to have his Charger resprayed.
Just because you stripped a car down doesn't mean its ready to paint. a good pro painter will want to prep the car properly. If its a full metal job (ie in and out) £1500 is quite reasonable for a decent job.
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1500 is cheap as , we just done a evo external only all dents origanal colour and a hok pearl on it £3000 and that was a bargain, like they said u get what you pay for
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Definately do it yourself, but i feer that for spraying a whole car the aldi compressor may stuggle to keep up.
As mentioned you will be spray, stop, spray, stop etc.
A cheep gun will be ok, as long as you can get enough air to it!
Maybe hire a compressor, or purchase onther one of the aldi ones and join them together.
Lewis
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Thanks for the replies guys,i did'nt know that a spray gun would need that much air .I guess i have alot to learn .The £1500 they quoted me to do it is not really the problem,if i was working full time. All i want to do is learn how to do it myself and save some money at the same time. I read through that thread that was posted and it's inspired me alot.Spraying cars has always been a black art to me and now i've got the enthusiasim and excuse to learn.
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some spray guns use more air than others. You can get small guns which use like 3 cfm and will work on a small compressor or some pro HVLP guns need like 22 cfm and will only work on huge 3 phase industrial compressors.
The smaller guns which use less air will typically need a smaller fan meaning more passes to get coverage
If you are doing a solid (ie non-metallic) paint then getting the paint on is less important - you can sand the runs and orange peel out easy enough later! (so long as you don't use 2 pack...)
Prep is 90% of the job. Finishing (sand and polish) is 9% and about 1% is the actual spraying. One painter I knew said "you can put solid colour celly on with a ****ing bike pump for all it matters"
These ratios change if you use metallics, pearls, candies, kamelions, etc. but for a regular solid colour thats true.
If the preps not right nothing else will be. Almost all bad application can be fixed with sand paper and polishing compound.
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Last Edit: Apr 2, 2009 21:32:34 GMT by akku
1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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..... you can sand the runs and orange peel out easy enough later! (so long as you don't use 2 pack...) Why does using 2 pack make a difference here? I assume its a harder wearing paint, so harder to sand back, perhaps? Should still be possible though, although maybe needing more effort?
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1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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2 pack sets very hard. Its catalysed and you have a very short window before it becomes a total ballache to polish it back up.
Celly and 1K on the other hand are very easy to polish up after defect sanding.
The trade off is that 2K is harder wearing and more fade, chip and stain resistant.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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