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Mar 15, 2009 15:30:48 GMT
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I was stopped by the police today, they let me off with a sp65 (crossing double white line) they could have made it worse for me.
I was given a fixed penalty for 3 points, £60 fine and a producer and sent on my way.
Does anyone know if I am allowed to have a copy of the video? I understand any cctv security footage that records a member of the public, must be released to the person filmed upon demand.
does the same apply to traffic police footage?
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chaseracer
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Mar 15, 2009 15:52:35 GMT
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I'm happy to be corrected on this, but I think it's too late if you've accepted the fixed penalty  |
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IDY
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Mar 15, 2009 15:56:43 GMT
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I'm happy to be corrected on this, but I think it's too late if you've accepted the fixed penalty AFAIK chaseracer is correct Might be worth asking the question on the 5ive-o forum as there are a few police officers on there willing to answer questions  |
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I will get round to finishing it at some point
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Mar 15, 2009 16:23:07 GMT
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bumflaps, looks like you're right.
shame, I would liked to have seen it.
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Mar 15, 2009 17:11:30 GMT
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I think you're still entitled to see the tape, but you just wouldn't be able to use it to contest the fine as you've already accepted it, as stated above. I could be talking bobbins, but I thought the Data Protection Act allowed you to request any information (video, paperwork, photos) that a particular organisation holds about you, for a reasonable fee (£10 IIRC). Like I say, I might be talking rubbish... |
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Mar 15, 2009 17:37:45 GMT
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Whether you are entitled to one or not, I suppose there's no harm in writing a polite letter to the officers involved.
Something along the lines of:
"Dear sirs, you may remember me as the idiot driving the green lupo last Wednesday. I have accepted the fixed penalty fine for my foolishness and appreciate the judgement you used in the situation. However I would be very interested in seeing a copy of the footage of my offence. I must stress that this is not to try and contest my punishment, but to get a clear idea of exactly how I was driving at the time and get a perspective of how such actions appear when viewed by a third party.
I'd be happy to compensate for any costs incurred in obtaining a copy of the video"
Worst they can say is no, and although unless obliged to I doubt an officer would want to take the time to do it, but it's worth a try!
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Last Edit: Mar 15, 2009 17:38:41 GMT by cobblers
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Mar 15, 2009 19:05:26 GMT
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I ask the chap at the station after they've signed off the produced documents.
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Mar 15, 2009 21:35:21 GMT
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I don't think youve "accepted" the fine as you cant refuse a ticket if the copper gives it you in person. Did you give them your licence there and then or are you sending it away? What did you say to them? "sorry I went over the white line" wont help you out if you contest it and end up in court! You are entitled to see any evidence the Police intend to prosecute you with but they like to make it very difficult. Charging a tenner to see a pic, not posting it to you and insisting you travel 100 miles to view it in person e.t.c www.pepipoo.com is a great website for stuff like this, lots of advice and tips to be had. |
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Last Edit: Mar 15, 2009 21:37:46 GMT by Lankytim
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Mar 15, 2009 23:46:00 GMT
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I am not trying to contest the charge, I didn't have my licence, I am taking my docs to the local station.
It was a sunny sunday morning, I had passed some slower traffic (A road) and had caught up with some more.
An unmarked car came into my rear view mirror approaching with blues and twos going
I stopped.
They asked me if I knew why I'd been stopped, I sort of shrugged and said "what happened back there" She said, "when you passed the red car, you went over the white line"
She said, we had to do 85 to catch you but I'm letting that go, but I'm afraid we cant overlook the whole thing so I'm issuing you with an sp65. (contravening the white line)
I was quite relieved as I thought I would be losing my licence and said "its a fair cop" I am happy to accept the sp65 in the circumstances
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Last Edit: Mar 15, 2009 23:47:18 GMT by suterman
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She said, we had to do 85 to catch you but I'm letting that go Fair play that the cops 'reduced' your charge, but I really hate it when they say things like that, esp on those 'Police, Stop' type programs. I can do 120mph to catch a car doing 30mph, I'll just catch it a lot quicker than if I was travelling at 40mph. The speed the Police do to catch you doesn't really have any relevance to the speed that you were travelling! |
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^ good point, you are usually in shock and a jibbering wreck when ya get pulled over out of nowhere so they throw some weight and psycology at ya and give grief/beats. I get the wobbles just seeing a cop car these days, and I'm not a bad guy.  Agree with benzboy too. no facts but you can get stuff with data protection surely. |
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She said, we had to do 85 to catch you but I'm letting that go Fair play that the cops 'reduced' your charge, but I really hate it when they say things like that, esp on those 'Police, Stop' type programs. I can do 120mph to catch a car doing 30mph, I'll just catch it a lot quicker than if I was travelling at 40mph. The speed the Police do to catch you doesn't really have any relevance to the speed that you were travelling! The one time I got pulled over the cop said "I had to do 125 to catch you", and then proceeded to tell me that doing 93.14 in that sort of traffic was not far off dangerous driving. I had to stop myself asking him how doing 125 without his blue lights on was any safer..... |
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Last Edit: Mar 16, 2009 9:55:15 GMT by jader1973
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mym
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Mar 16, 2009 11:54:14 GMT
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am i correctin saying that if the police don't have blues and 2's on, they are subject to the same laws as the rest of us, even if they are trying to catch/do someone
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Mar 16, 2009 11:57:36 GMT
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Not sure but they may have to justify themselves certainly, after all speed cameras still zap emergency vehicles...
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts |
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Mar 16, 2009 12:26:05 GMT
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Does anyone know if I am allowed to have a copy of the video? what makes you think they got it on video? did they say they had? i don't think it's a requirement for issuing tickets, is it? they may have just seen you going the other way/in a different direction crossing the line. |
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Mar 16, 2009 12:37:08 GMT
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am I correctin saying that if the police don't have blues and 2's on, they are subject to the same laws as the rest of us, even if they are trying to catch/do someone Nope, AFAIK the law gives exemptions to the police for lots of traffic laws so long as they are on official police business. Unmarked cop cars can run red lights and break limits. The police still face investigation if they cause a crash and they can be (and some have been) done for dangerous driving. The local police force may have guidelines that restrict police officers further but that is just policy not law. That's my understanding after spending time lurking on a forum with police officers on it |
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I will get round to finishing it at some point
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Mar 16, 2009 13:49:17 GMT
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what i don't get is why would they say they had to break the speed limit to catch you! its not like you were evading the police ie failure to stop. or are they saying that they don't like driving fast? |
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Mar 16, 2009 13:58:12 GMT
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Some police forces have brought in policies which restrict what local patrol officers can do in panda cars. A while back in Staffordshire panda car drivers could only take part in high speed pursuits if the crime was serious.
I've had the "We had to do xx to catch up with you line" it's a bit of a moot point for them to make because it really proves nothing but helps reinforce the point that they believed you were speeding.
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