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Been tasked with job to change cambelt on friends '77 Mustang II 'Two dr/notchback Hardtop'. It's the 4Cyl. 2.3 'LIMA' engine which (to me) looks like an 'enlarged' 2.0 'pinto' unit. In view of the fact I've done numerous 'pinto's in past I get collered to do this! ;D Had a look and set up IS identical but was just curious to Torque settings for: Camshaft boltCrankshaft bolt& Tensioner bolt(If same as pinto - which I doubt - sorry for asking ) Also - said owner of Mustang II is curious of what wheel P.C.D and offset is as he would like to change wheels due to original 'rostyles' are a mess! Ta
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Popdragin will be able to sort you out with some of that info me thinks. Or failing that, Stealthstyles, since he can get in touch with Pop.
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Lima has nowt a thing in common with the Pinto, except the piston count, mate. It's hydraulic, not solid. It's crank is a rattletrap. Nothing interchanges between the two motors, not even the drainbolt.
PCD is same as Capri, 4x108.
in ft/lbs: Cam Gear Bolt = 50-71 Crank Bolt = 80-114 Tensioner Pivot Bolt = 28-40 Adjuster Bolt = 14-21
Norm
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Team Blitz Ford Capri parts worldwide: Restoration, Road, or Race. Used, Repro, and NOS, ranging from scabby to perfect. Itching your Capri jones since 1979! Buy, sell, trade. www.teamblitz.com blitz@teamblitz.com
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joe90
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Dec 11, 2008 20:24:33 GMT
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Cheers mate JOB DONE Ironically I see Haynes do a manual for the Mustang II - so friend will be FORCED to buy that! ;D I fully realised nothing 'interchanged' it's just that doing cambelt was Identical in procedure to doing a "2000pinto a mk3 Cortina". The PCD I did wounder about as a member in our car club claimed he had a MK3 Cortina that was fitted with 'slot mags' of a Mustang II 'Stalion model'. Thanks again
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v8lee
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Dec 11, 2008 20:34:51 GMT
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Mk II Mustang Ghia was fitted with 13" slots so matey's Cortina could well have been fitted with them. The European OHC "Pinto" engine was derived from this motor, and, even though the two share virtually no parts it did donate its name, being fitted originally in the Ford Pinto.
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No more old cars
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joe90
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Dec 12, 2008 10:06:54 GMT
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Been tasked with job to change cambelt on friends '77 Mustang II 'Two dr/notchback Hardtop'. It's the 4Cyl. 2.3 'LIMA' engine which (to me) looks like an 'enlarged' 2.0 'pinto' unit. In view of the fact I've done numerous 'pinto's in past I get collered to do this! ;D Had a look and set up IS identical but was just curious to Torque settings for: Camshaft boltCrankshaft bolt& Tensioner bolt(If same as pinto - which I doubt - sorry for asking ) Also - said owner of Mustang II is curious of what wheel P.C.D and offset is as he would like to change wheels due to original 'rostyles' are a mess! Ta I don't suppose your mate has any spares or knows any mustang 2 owners that have does he? as i'm after a front suspension set up for my project, i would consider a complete scrap car. Bryan
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Dec 13, 2008 12:17:18 GMT
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None what so ever - in fact that a future thread "Mustang II spares required" will probably be only a matter of tim ;D Most American car places from what I can gather are geared for NEW stuff or 50'S/60's 'Expensive Classics'; the 'unloved' 70's and 80's tin seems to be not so well catered for.
A scrap car may be the best route as Mustang II's are dirt cheap (a runner with M.O.T can be got for less than £700 quid!).
As regards the 'PINTO' I did NOT realise a 2 Litre Yank 'Pinto engine' and a 2 Litre European 'Pinto engine' were different. I can see no point in that (especially as Ford tend to be experts at producing "one item/size will fit all" ;D ).
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Last Edit: Dec 13, 2008 12:19:48 GMT by TwincamGTi
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joe90
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Dec 13, 2008 13:29:36 GMT
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None what so ever - in fact that a future thread "Mustang II spares required" will probably be only a matter of tim ;D Most American car places from what I can gather are geared for NEW stuff or 50'S/60's 'Expensive Classics'; the 'unloved' 70's and 80's tin seems to be not so well catered for. A scrap car may be the best route as Mustang II's are dirt cheap (a runner with M.O.T can be got for less than £700 quid!). Not anymore mate unless you is very lucky, just watched 2 on ebay in the last 5 weeks first one been stood 2.5 years heads off engine (v8) and had been for 2.5 years, that did just short of a grand. Second one was a 2.3 been off road for years wanted plenty of work to re commision, last started 2 years ago and this one did nearly £600. As in my earlier thread tell your mate to check out www.mocgb.net , the problem with the mustang 2 is it only ran from 74-78 so parts are quite scarce, not to mention how many v8 mustang 2's got broken in the 90's just for running gear then scrapped, a mate of mine did plenty. There is however a few places poping up in the states now dealing with mustang 2 bits, just google and see what appears. Bryan
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Dec 13, 2008 17:02:44 GMT
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You boys got confused on your terms and understanding of a few things.
Let's set them straight.
Pinto = A model of Ford North America economy car.
Pinto OHC = The overhead cam, solid follower, Euro-built (later in ZA) engine, available in OE sizes ranging from 1.3L to 2.0L. First installed in the 1970 Cortina Mk3, followed shortly by the American 1971 Pinto motorcar. In North America, the Pinto OHC engine was available from 1971 to 1974 in the Capri and the Pinto. Eventually "Cosworthed" in the form of the 80's series of DOHC YB engines.
Lima OHC = The overhead cam, hydraulic follower, US & Brazil-built engine, available in OE sizes ranging from 2.0L to 2.5L (most were 2.3L). First installed in the 1974 Pinto/Mustang II North American cars. Available from 1974 to the mid-90's in a wide variety of cars and trucks. Turbo versions offered beginning 1979. Andy Rouse used a Lima OHC in his early BTCC Sierra.
Notes about Mustang II parts = You'd be a nutter to buy an expensive ratty old Mustang II for its suspension and steering parts these days. Everything for the Mustang II chassis is now reproduced, sometimes dirt cheap, sometimes high end, for the street rod market. If you need help, I can help you from this end.
Norm
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Dec 13, 2008 17:41:32 GMT
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NO confusion regards my end (I know about Ford PINTO Car history - and not just the 'scam' about the petrol tank!) - hence my question about : Was just curiosity as I thought service parts - such as Oil filters and spark plugs DID fit! But - I did NOT know reference this: So thank you for this - it is useful to know!
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Dec 13, 2008 19:29:08 GMT
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(v8lee)"The European OHC "Pinto" engine was derived from this motor, and, even though the two share virtually no parts it did donate its name, being fitted originally in the Ford Pinto."
But.......The Pinto OHC Cortina Mk3 debuted before the Pinto OHC car. Share vitually no parts? Eh? The Euro Pinto OHC and the North American Pinto OHC are identical in almost every way (except carburetion and emissions details, c:r, and tune). Same block, crank, head, rods, belt drive, right down to all the small hardware bits - same.
(TwinCamGTi)"Was just curiosity as I thought service parts - such as Oil filters and spark plugs DID fit!"
No. For example, in their original iterations, the Pinto lump used FL228 and the Lima uses FL300. The spark plugs were different too. As I said, not even the drain bolt crosses either.
Cheers, Norm
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Last Edit: Dec 13, 2008 19:34:30 GMT by Team Blitz
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Dec 13, 2008 20:04:50 GMT
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^ Nope thats not what I meant! I was making reference to the 2.0 pinto engine info that V8lee had mentioned. I'd now gathered that the 2.3 Lima AND 2.0 Pinto were different thanks to your original info! I would like to say though changing the 'Lima' cambelt in the Mustang II was the same (to me) in procedure as doing many a 'Pinto' cambelt in the past.
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Last Edit: Dec 13, 2008 20:05:58 GMT by TwincamGTi
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joe90
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Dec 13, 2008 20:29:24 GMT
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Notes about Mustang II parts = You'd be a nutter to buy an expensive ratty old Mustang II for its suspension and steering parts these days. Everything for the Mustang II chassis is now reproduced, sometimes dirt cheap, sometimes high end, for the street rod market. If you need help, I can help you from this end. Norm Hi teamblitz, i am chasing a mustang II front end for my 33 plymouth street rod, the reason why i only want a cheap second hand unit is to get my chassis rolling as i don't want to buy a new unit yet until the project is nearly done which could take a few years due to work/family/customer comitments. The reason for wanting a complete car is to break it keep the front end and sell motor/trans a back axle to recoupe the cost and get a free front end. Probably get a heidts set up nearer the compleation time. Bryan
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