ThePollitt
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Oct 27, 2008 13:40:31 GMT
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Right, I have my eye on a car on ebay, a 1963 Consul Capri actually.....  ...as I have wanted one for a long time, roughly 26 years actually...and I'm only 25, I want one THAT much! Anyway, the car in question has no ID, so my question, quite simply, is how do get some? Or, even though it's a pretty car, should I just back away and wait for one with some plates and vin tag to pop up on ebay? Thanks guys. Chris |
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bazzateer
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Oct 27, 2008 13:43:34 GMT
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Some cars will have a chassis number stamped in somewhere - not sure about the Capri though. Maybe the owners club can help? (If there is one).
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Who the hell ARE you????BenzBoy
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Oct 27, 2008 13:43:38 GMT
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Well, I wouldn't think anyone here would advocate ringing the car...
Why does it have no ID? Does it have an engine number? Perhaps some details could be traced from that? That's if it's on the DVLA database of course, but if it's been hiding in a barn for 25 years it might not be on there.
They are very pretty cars, I too would love one.
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Oct 27, 2008 13:45:05 GMT
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No ID at all? No plates, no tags, no docs?
Thats a bit dodgy.
However, so long as you have reciepts, prints of eBay auction, good faith, etc. and the assistance of a DVLA recognised classic car club who specialise in that make and model you can register pretty much anything.
Cars where there is no original chassis number will be allocated a generic DVLA VIN.
It will probably end up on a Q plate although I have heard of cars which have tax exempt status despite the Q plate as althought the exact year or make could not be determined the DVLA were happy it was some time beofre 31/12/1972
I would advise you phone the DVLA and speak to someone in the vehicle registrations department, or contact your local VRO before bidding.
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Nathan
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Who the hell ARE you????Nathan
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Oct 27, 2008 13:46:09 GMT
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Looks like alot of work!
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ThePollitt
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Oct 27, 2008 13:51:08 GMT
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No ID at all? No plates, no tags, no docs? Thats a bit dodgy. However, so long as you have reciepts, prints of eBay auction, good faith, etc. and the assistance of a DVLA recognised classic car club who specialise in that make and model you can register pretty much anything. Cars where there is no original chassis number will be allocated a generic DVLA VIN. It will probably end up on a Q plate although I have heard of cars which have tax exempt status despite the Q plate as althought the exact year or make could not be determined the DVLA were happy it was some time beofre 31/12/1972 I would advise you phone the DVLA and speak to someone in the vehicle registrations department, or contact your local VRO before bidding. Thanks. I have sent the bloke a message in a bid to aquire a phone number so we can talk about it properly. It won't have an engine number though, as there is no engine. I'm pally with a bloke in the club, so I'll have a word when I next see him. As for it looking like a lot of work, it probably is. But sadly, the chances of finding another are pretty damn slim. Chris |
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Oct 27, 2008 13:54:06 GMT
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I'd need a really good reason to buy a car with no ID, if you want to get it one the legal way things could get complicated, with no chassis number the DVLA wont give you an age related plate as their is no proof when it was built for a start.
Obviously there are other ways to go, depends how cheap it is really and how cheap a "spares" car is gonna be, is the combined price still cheap enough to make it worth the complication?
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Oct 27, 2008 14:04:19 GMT
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Gotta be honest, if its got no ID at all i'd stay clear, you've gotta wonder why its got no ID. Theres only a limited number of reasons:
1) its ID has been illegally swapped onto another car which is now blezzing about (dodgy)
2) it has been earmarked as 'not allowed to go back on the road' for whatever reason, insurance payout or summert (dodgy)
3) the chassis number has rusted away, reg plates fallen off, logbook and all other docs lost, and no-ones kept a note of any of them (dodgy)
When you say no ID, what does that mean? No reg plates? No log book? Chassis number rusted away/chopped out? All trace of vehicle identification deliberately removed?
Good for parts perhaps but if it really has no ID i would probably not try to get involved in getting it back on the road.
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bortaf
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Oct 27, 2008 14:21:52 GMT
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If you get stuck mate the farmer where I store my cars is in the classic and capri owners club they hold AGMs and parts days on his farm every year. Good greif theres some waffle on here aint there, in my storage there's about 20 cars all without ID, mainly dragged off other farms as unfinished projects and the like, it happens all the time surely people know that  One of the blokes there has spent the last 6 months at the local vosa for VIC checks on his collection, all free cars and when they are free people really cant be arsed to hunt out paperwork it can and does happen without anything "funny" going on As a recovery driver I get em ALL the time, sometimes you find the tags in the glovebox sometimes you don't, TBH it means feck all 99% of the time, just listen to the sellers storey and decide if YOU believe him or not ;D |
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Oct 27, 2008 14:31:07 GMT
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Chassis/Vin number should be stamped on the offside inner wing around the the top suspension mount.
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v8ian
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Oct 27, 2008 15:11:50 GMT
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Yep the Vin/Chassis No, is stamped around the top of the RH strut, or it is on every ford of this era I have owned, there should be 2 or maybe 3 plates mounted on the RH inner wing at the front, the main one will be a Black and white Enfo plate with the chassis No, and spec details, the second ally oblong plate is a build number, and the third which may be there could be a secodary build plate as I think these cars were built at Jensens or Healeys, not at Fords. the main vin plate is about 2"square, earlier one is mounted and stamped "Corners up" and later ones done the Normal square way,
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Oct 27, 2008 15:41:00 GMT
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Theres a big difference between the docs/tags etc getting lost, i.e. 'ID not known', and a car actually having no ID becuase someone has taken it off for some reason. Like an old mini or something sold with no ID because a traveller previous owner has removed it all and flogged it on the bay to someone wanting to make their mini tax exempt.
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ThePollitt
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Oct 27, 2008 16:17:32 GMT
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Cheers for the info guys.
When/if I get number off the gent I'll update you with the reasons.
Chris
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LowStandards
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Oct 27, 2008 16:38:50 GMT
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I agree with Mr plums, if there's no number plates or logbook, then fair enough, these things get lost/misplaced. But if its got no numbers on whatsoever i'm gonna go with it being 99% dodgy somewhere along the line! Seriously, its just makes sense!
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Oct 27, 2008 17:28:22 GMT
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lovely cars these , there is a nice red one in Rye East Sussex, normally parked up outside one of the trendy restaurants near the harbour
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Oct 27, 2008 17:31:24 GMT
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walk away -these cars are so rare, that the id MUST have been removed for a good reason
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room. |
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Oct 27, 2008 17:38:07 GMT
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I agree with Mr plums, if there's no number plates or logbook, then fair enough, these things get lost/misplaced. But if its got no numbers on whatsoever i'm gonna go with it being 99% dodgy somewhere along the line! Seriously, its just makes sense! Sound advice there, will be interesting to see hows this works out! |
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Oct 27, 2008 19:02:26 GMT
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Oh, pah, Chris. ;D Do you ever not buy a dodgy car you really like anyway? Throwing caution to the wind, an Olympic Sport, ain't it?  |
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Oct 27, 2008 19:35:56 GMT
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Good luck with the phone call but to be honest your getting a lot of sound advise here to stay clear. However if it is legit IE been stored for years and the log book etc has been lost then providing you can get the vin number you should be fine.
Only problem you will have is if the strut top has been welded in the past (highly likely) and then you have the problem of digging around to find it they were never well stamped anyway so don't attack the paint with a grinder or you might lose any number for good.
I bet it's been in a scrapper some where and the log books gone off saying scrapped so even if you do get the vin get an hpi done on it (which will give you the number as well)
Using id from another car is 'ringing' and illegal..
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Oct 27, 2008 19:54:23 GMT
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I wouldnt be worried in the slightest, even if its ID has been used to ring another car.
If its current owner is the legal owner (I'm talking about him owning a ford-shaped pile of metal, not necessarily a car with id) and has the right to sell it, then there is no problem at all.
As AlistairK pointed out, DVLA have a well established and relatively simple procedure to get a brand new chassis number and registration. Granted it may be a Q-plate, but even thats not certain, and is hardly the end of the world anyway.
If it has had its original ID nicked, then so what? you follow DVLA procedure as normal, as far as they are concerned the car is completely unknown. They issue new details, then there is no link at all to its old id and the car that may or may not still be on the road that might be carrying it.
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