morgs
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Sept 6, 2008 21:11:04 GMT
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Hey people,
I have a bit of a dilemma, I hope you can help?
I've been fortunate enough to soon be taking delivery of a DCNF kit for my '83 1100 Fiesta hotdamn.
On a sound base model block, currently running nothing more than a Bestek electronic ignition, I'm looking for 85-90bhp by adding the DCNF kit, a Stage 1 head, Kent FST2 cam and a four branch manifold. Achievable?
What should I be paying particular attention when it comes to fitting the kit, and more importantly, I can see that a Kent cam can be sourced direct from Kent, but what about a Stage 1 head - any ideas? What about a manifold? Get one custom made? Any ideas for someone who could do it close to Bristol?
Any ideas welcome and tomorrow I'll get around to sticking my project onto the 'readers rides' section for further perusal.
Cheers
Morgs
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Last Edit: Sept 6, 2008 22:04:05 GMT by morgs
it ain't really going if it ain't going sideways... '77 Vauxhall Chevette 2door saloon '81 military povo spec Fiesta 950 - now moved on '83 1100 L Fiesta [supersport replica]
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Sept 6, 2008 23:42:24 GMT
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Would it not be easier to put in a 1300 or 1600 Kent (or even a 1600 CVH if it's easy enough) and start from there? You'll get more bang for your buck. If you did want to stick with the 1100 - and I'm not saying that it's a bad idea - I'm not sure if you'd see a leap from 54bhp to 90... you might, but it seems like quite a hike to me. Don't take my post as being negative, I really don't want it to come across as such, you may well have perfectly good reason for wanting to keep the 1.1. It's just that the easierst (and cheapest) method to achieve 80-90bhp is to fit a bigger engine.
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bazboy
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Sept 6, 2008 23:48:47 GMT
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I have this problem with the volvo, being a 1.4 means its ok if you rev the nuts of it but thats not how i want to drive 24/7 lol and i cant afford the insurance of an engine swap so am currently trying to find go faster parts lol which is hard.
what are your plans for the fiesta, track day car, cruiser??? you could strip its interior that would help speed her up.
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1986 - VW Jetta GT 16v 1986 - Volvo 340 1991 - Volvo 460
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realistically, why would you spend good money making an 1097 (or 1098) any faster, spend the cash on a kent 1600cc motor, and insurance - you will add value to the car, and not have to endure the screaming gutless 1100
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room.
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yeah, but not everyone wants to do that.... and putting in a 16 will bump it up a tax class too. Be different, tune the 1100. Its very worthwile, and a learning experience to try and get more horses out of a small pony. when you only have 40hp as standard, giving it an extra 10 seems a really big deal now, your questions... first, pick your carb with care... what size DCNF were you thinking? I'd rather use a 32 DFT meself. Heads tend to be modified in stages to increase power, first smooth edges/matcch ports and manifolds, skim head/block to raise CR, fit bigger valves etc. this helps the extra fuel/air provided by the big carb to circulate and burn (with help from your next bit, the cam. SDame with the exhaust, buy it, make it... not difficult either way. there are some constructional "rules" regarding optimum shape for a four branch, but they are pretty simple too. I would recommend buying and reading a book on tuning the crossflow first, there are a couple of good ones but the titles etc escape me at the min. Learn as you go, and have fun.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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gearoil
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theres better books available for the kent than that one - and cheaper "tuning 4-pot fords' published by Speedsport for example and a few more David Vizard has written a couple for the kent engine too
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Last Edit: Sept 7, 2008 1:39:02 GMT by Autofive
Someone just shot the elephant in the room.
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Why go NA? Turbo that mother. Fancy this sort of Kent lumpage for yer Feisty? OK, OK, it's two cams, but still....
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kee
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scary, the twin dcnf kit is one that was supplied for the 1.1 as part of a series-x kit of some sort IIRC. i think 90 will be a push, but don't let it hold you back. you may have to look into new internals, however i don't know where to get them from as its a valencia engine not a crossflow.
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Sept 7, 2008 11:29:15 GMT
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yeah, but not everyone wants to do that.... and putting in a 16 will bump it up a tax class too. Be different, tune the 1100. Its very worthwile, and a learning experience to try and get more horses out of a small pony. when you only have 40hp as standard, giving it an extra 10 seems a really big deal I see what you're saying Scary - I am an advocate of squeezing the most out of an engine (otherwise we'd all just chuck in V8's! ;D). The only reason I suggested a bigger engine is that I saw all those tuning parts and figured it might cost an awful lot, only to have almost as much power as a stock 1.6... but then I suppose you have to consider the tax hike like you say, and insurance... Plus, having a 1.1 Valencia screamer would be a right laugh! ;D Those engines are pretty bomb-proof, aren't they? Also, do Ka's have any better parts such as freer flowing heads... or even injection?!
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Sept 7, 2008 11:38:14 GMT
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Personally, I don't think that 80-90 brake is particularly ambitious. I built one in the '80's that would absolutely flatten the 'new' CVH XR2's. I'm sure Briandamaged will elaborate!! ;D
First off, I would speak to someone like Janspeed as they did a couple of 'kits' in the '80's that produced this kind of power.
Basically, it will go something like this. Maximum overbore, lightened and balanced bottom end, fat cam, flowed head and a manifold/exhaust.
Someone like Cylinder Head Developments in Bromsgrove should be able to sort the top end out. Janspeed and Ashley used to make exhausts so you shouldn't have too much trouble there, don't bother trying to modify a 1300 or 1600 one as the port spacings and flanges are totally different.
Your only real problem is that being a 3 bearing crank, your maximum revs are limited.
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gearoil
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Sept 7, 2008 12:50:54 GMT
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Norm, is that the 1.4 or 1.7 Zakspeed lump....?
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Sept 7, 2008 13:17:35 GMT
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1.7L, Geary.
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Sept 7, 2008 15:54:29 GMT
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Crossflows like head work and lots of it. Take the compression up to about 9.7:1 if you can, it's about the limit you can go to on the Kent and still use 95 octane fuel and it'll get the most out of the fuel you put in. If you wanted to be sneaky *if memory serves* the crank/rods/pistons out the 1300 crossflow is a direct swap and you can hide a sneaky 1300cc in a 1100 casing. Might be different with the FWD engines though.
I'd be inclined to go a stage 2 head rather than a stage 1, if you're getting the head done by someone you might as well get them to machine down the spring platforms and you can go for a wilder cam then you should be able to see 90hp. For the head I recommend going to either Vulcan or Specialised Engines. Specialised are a lot easier to talk to than Vulcan who can be a bit difficult in my experience. Alternatively keep an eye out on eBay for a stage 2 or 3 head.
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Sept 7, 2008 17:56:22 GMT
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the mkI's 957cc and 1100cc were the valencia engine... mine was a 957cc and once i had holed the pistons in the original engine i bought another lump and polished and ported the head and manifolds, worked a treat (ok wasn't blistering performance) but launched and ran quicker than my mates identical standard car... from memory i don't think any kent engine bits fit the valencia... anyways... i think there was an article in this months PPC mag about tuning festers...
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Darrel
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Sept 8, 2008 10:13:22 GMT
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I had a 1.1 Fiesta donkeys years ago and went the tune it up route. I dyno'd it at 90 bhp and had spent a fortune getting it up to there. The problem was yes it was quick, maybe as quick as a XR2 cvh as it had good bhp per weight of car, but no Torque, drank more fuel, wasnt that nice to drive on a daily basis and didnt handle/brake aswell as the XR2 + had a lower spec interior. Personally I would go for a 1.4s car (if you can still find one) and work from that. The CVH engine is very tuneable and still classes as cheap tax. Ive raced against one at Santa Pod that had a Turbo grafted onto it. Mine was a xr4x4 I and I couldnt keep up with the damn thing.
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kee
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Sept 8, 2008 10:15:22 GMT
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cvh is mk2 and more trouble to fit than is worth
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Sept 8, 2008 15:25:35 GMT
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I dunno I had an '87 1.4L in the family for 12 years and it was the least troublesome part of the car, went OK and at 130K miles didn't smoke like the 1.6s....
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morgs
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Sept 9, 2008 15:49:37 GMT
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Thanks for all the replies people. If I fill you in a little more, then perhaps you can see where I’m coming from with this! I’ve currently got three fiesta shells, awaiting tinker time when I get around to it. My first is the ’83 1100L that is used daily and is to be the recipient of the resulting package of parts from this thread. It’s fitted with Greenstuff discs and pads all round, braided brake lines, lowered on Gaz coilovers, full Ashley system, pepperpots, Supersport graphics and arches, front and rear spoiler, over-rider front and rear bumper and Clifford alarm. There’s a Bestek system on it’s way, and the interior is stripped down to two seats and the dash. The plan is to tidy up the shell – just some scabby rust patches around the outside, put some time and effort into the standard engine and then use it as a fast “everything’s relative” road car for the daily commute, annoying the neighbours and a bit of fun on the weekends. I want to see what I can achieve with the standard block as it’s a genuine 40,000 miler that pulls strong and would be a really good starting place for modifying the internals. Finish wise, I’ll be looking to get the arches off, paint it beige [yawn…but I like it] and throw on some alleycats I’m refurbing at the moment. Seeing how we go, the full interior could even be put back in at the drop of a hat for driving Miss Charlatan1 to hair appointments and the like. Project Slow and Low ver. II The second is an ’82 rolling shell that’s in primer and also fitted with the same brake and suspension setup. This one is totally stripped and had the inner wing modifications to receive the five speed box bolted to the following engine:- CVH.Full Ashley exhaust/manifold, Heat wrapped. 34DMTR carb with manual choke. Pipercross bolt on. Kent CVH33 cam kit/double valve springs etc and has the highest lift kit you can get without using solid followers. Fully rebuilt head with the new cam kit, springs, new valves etc, mildly gas flowed head. Chrome rocker cover with K&N Breather filter. Has black diamond HT leads. This will slide between the flanks, couple up with a IB5 I’ve been working on and the already set up xr2 front end and be steered sat in a fully stripped, caged and painted up cabin with just the one seat. Ideas are for a ruby red finish, low and clean shaven although my photoshopping is currently employed on being an freshly qualified architect and not tarting around with cars…grrr. Project lairy The third is merely a shell, and I’ve all of the above to do to it. This one is to be the recipient of my latest purchase, a 96 mondeo 2.0l silvertop with everything forward of the driver. This is to be stripped, cleaned, and put back together with not much more than stronger this and that and a set of webers. Again, this will go into a still to be prepped bay, mate up to a CTS stage 1 ‘box [piggy bank already receiving weekly cash injections where once there was beer and fast women!] and be sat infront of what is hoped to be a bogo standard interior complete with non headrest model seats and traditional radio - street sleeper style. Over time I hope to play around with the spec of this one some more but it’s the one that’s furthest off so I’m not too worried at the moment. Project whatthefuckwasthatthatjustwentpast? ? My other cars a two door ’77 Chevette saloon that’s sat waiting for me to take pity on it and get around to stripping down the 2.0L Omega lump and sorting out some go faster bits. Bodywork needs some tidying on that too but the Fiestas are my first priority due to the relative straight forwardness of their builds and the fact I can get two of them in the garage at a time! The daily is a 1.5 diesel Clio that chugs itself about quite merrily, but I love jumping in the Fiesta and rattling my way around the place. Everything feels much quicker, I can identify pretty much any HGV from the markings of the underbelly being at eye level and I always come away reluctantly and smiling. That’s why I want to put my efforts into achieving some “relatively considerable” power from what I have available. After all that’s why we do these things and get dirt under our fingernails – Life would be boring if everyone was the same. It’s also worth it for the laugh I get when people see me unfold my 6’11” out of the Fiesta…priceless!! Bazboy – As above really. The 1100 is already down to bare metal inside and just the two seats up front. All carpet does is soak up the water right?!! I’ll be looking to lighten as much as possible in the rebuild but it’s not until I get to the cvh’d mk1 that I’ll be contemplating Perspex windows and carbon bumpers! I just want this one to sound good and be a little nippy motor to put a smile on my face until I can get the zetec together and reliable. Scaryoldcortina – The carbs are the Series X kit that Kee remembers correctly. They’re 36 DCNFs and come with the air filter, a k&N and the air filter box…hotdiggedy. They ran these cars quick [see below] and there has been a lot of people on other forums saying that 90-100bhp is out there for the taking. Autofive – Cheers for the reading matter. I’ll read the CE markings on toilet paper me so some more reading matter will get hoovered up no sweat. If it helps me get another 20bhp out of my car then all the more eager to devour it. [on an aside note, does anyone else save ppc until they get home from work, settle down with a cuppa and then read it cover to cover that evening? How fast?! It’s a cracking read, and the technical articles always get looked back over and over, but this year I saved retro cars, retro ford, performance ford, ppc and performance vw for my hols, arrived and was looking for fresh reading matter on the morning of the second day…got to slow down!] Benzboy – No worries about offering up your opinion. If I hadn’t wanted advice I would be sticking up a completed readers ride thread and showing you all the fruits of my labours. Instead, I’m after as much advice as I can grab at and enjoy the fact that leftfield is seen as a very acceptable place to come from on here. An 1100 screamer sounds like a whole sackful of giggles and there’s evidence for some pretty fun times if time and money is spent in the right way. V8devon – Good advice. I’ve been told that creating something comparable to the cvh’d xr2 [though requiring the input of some heavy right boot into the mix] shouldn’t be impossible. So people, thanks for the advice up to this point, and although the 1100 isn’t the first thought for modifications, hopefully with three fast ford projects of differing origins and attitudes, the struggle to find performance parts for the 1100 will be well worth it. Now don’t hold back with more advice and I’ll sling up a readers ride thread for the fleet for further discussion. Cheers. morgs
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it ain't really going if it ain't going sideways... '77 Vauxhall Chevette 2door saloon '81 military povo spec Fiesta 950 - now moved on '83 1100 L Fiesta [supersport replica]
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Sept 9, 2008 21:17:53 GMT
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The ka has a hotted(ha!) up valencia 1.3, shove those into your 1.1 block?
Biggest problem you have is the three bearing crank, it's not going to like lots of revs for long, you can make 90bhp with a turbo setup, turbos don't need revs to make power, go with and SU, and maybe a ct9 (starlet turbo, always upgrading those boys) decent intercooler and a rising rate fuel pressure reg, maybe two or three head gaskets(it is pushrod? easy then.) Money better spent then big carbs and crank breaking revs.
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