beany
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Aug 30, 2008 17:37:28 GMT
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i've been offered a triumph herald 1360! it's solid but has no engine or gearbox, so was wondering what options I have that don't involve too much work! I was thinking maybe sticking a ford x flow and box in as there seem to loads about and plenty of spares or would it just be easier to get a proper engine for it or maybe something MG?
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Last Edit: Aug 30, 2008 17:38:04 GMT by beany
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Aug 30, 2008 18:18:39 GMT
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Cant comment on that engine swap, although it would likely fit fine guessing the gearbox tunnel etc would need some fettling. There have been plenty of swaps in the past.. mostly yank ones though, the usual V8's etc and my favourite a RX7 engine (think this needed suspension mods too if I remember correctly.) Anyway most sensible option to me (as a triumph fan!) is to move up the triumph engine range... maybe a vitesse 2 litre engine or even a 2.5 TR6, guessing a stag V8 would be pretty straight forward too. Old triumph engines however weigh a ton and don't produce too much power to their size without some serious expenditure. Mind you they can be picked up cheap. I got a decent 1500cc engine for my spitfire for £50. Good luck and if you cant think of anything to do with it.. theres a gap in my garage!!  Joe |
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Aug 30, 2008 19:19:00 GMT
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there was a 1360 convertable on ebay a few months back with a zetec in it - I have also seen a zetec in a GT6 too
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beany
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Aug 31, 2008 20:45:20 GMT
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performance isn't a problem because i don't really want the added expense of uprating brakes and suspension. just would like something thats cheap, easy to get parts for when it breaks and easy enough to fit as i get bored easy so any long job ideas would never get finished  |
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Seth
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Aug 31, 2008 20:55:46 GMT
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Easiest thing to do would be to stick a Spit/Dolly/Midget 1500 engine in. Parts easily available for them and while they have a reputation for eating big ends we haven't suffered that one yet. If you can find one an overdrive box would be a useful addition while you're at it though they don't tend to come up cheap. You'd need the right propshaft with that too.
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beany
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Aug 31, 2008 21:05:42 GMT
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but if i got a non over drive box would it mate up to the original prop?
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Aug 31, 2008 21:20:02 GMT
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but if I got a non over drive box would it mate up to the original prop? So long as it's a Herald/Spitfire one yes, Dolomite boxes are very slight different so would need the prop fettling too. |
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beany
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Aug 31, 2008 21:23:18 GMT
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well i'll find out tomorrow if i'm getting it! if i do it sounds like a 1500 spit engine and box will be the plan!
a bit more poke but not too much for the standard gear = WIN
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Aug 31, 2008 21:42:25 GMT
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There's basically two types of boxes, single rail and three rail. Heralds all had three rail and these are a little shorter than a single rail. Prop shaft flanges differ too. All 1500's would have been attached to single rail boxes. You can put a three rail box behind a 1500 though you need the right combination of clutch parts.  |
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beany
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Aug 31, 2008 21:56:08 GMT
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so i'd need a 1500 engine, herald box, herald clutch plate and 1500 pressure plate!
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TBH I'd not bother with the 1500 engine if I were you. Either find a 13/60 lump or source a Vitesse drivetrain.
I have a basket case 13/60 which I will soon be breaking. It has an engine. Would you be interested in it?
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shame I'm the far side of the Irish sea, we've got a full chassis, brakes, suspension engine and box for a 13/60 at the house going spare
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Seth
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so i'd need a 1500 engine, herald box, herald clutch plate and 1500 pressure plate! Er, well not quite as the clutches are two different diameters and flywheels are different between the two engines though you can swap them over. We ran a small engine flywheel and small clutch on a 1500 and it was fine. If you ran the standard 1500 flywheel and therefore bigger clutch you need a friction disc tha right size but with the splines for a three rail box. I think its a Minor one but I can do some digging and find out for sure if that's the way you go. Edit: The think with chucking a straight six in is that Vitesses actually used a lot of different parts not least suspension uprights and brakes (and on later better handling cars a more stable rear suspension). There is a lot involved in doing the swap and you might as well start with a Vitesse in the first place. |
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Sept 1, 2008 11:26:52 GMT
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Avoid the 1500 it dosent like to rev stick with the original 1296 (i paid £40.00 for my last one and the crank and bores were still on zero) engine uprate the cam do a bit of DIY porting and a pair of SUs and a decent exhaust and you will be somewhere near the 80 Bhp mark maybe a bit more.
Do put a swing spring on it and some longer halfshafts to widen the track
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Sept 1, 2008 18:01:36 GMT
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^^ what he said^^
Jigsaw did a 1300 that was pushing out 125bhp IIRC. More revvy than the 1500 which is just a stroked 1300 !
Same as for the 2000/2500. You get a bit more torque but less free revving.
Both of these will just bolt in with the gearbox and 'shaft tho I think.
Lowering helps with the handling too along with adjustable shocks.
Having lived with a Vitesse for more than 18 months now i'd say go 2litre ( although not too economical as that right pedal is toooo tempting with that straight 6 soundtrack )
Enuf to surprise most folks at the traffic light grandprix tho. ROFL
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beany
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Sept 1, 2008 20:12:09 GMT
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well i got the car! not quite as clean as i remembered it to be but haven't seen i for about a year!
have found a 13/60 gearbox and an engine but the engine has been stripped and is still in bits!
so if anyone has an engine somewhere near me in essex i could well be interested!
and yes i will get some pics up when i get my other car back coz my cameras in it
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