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Jun 17, 2008 11:48:20 GMT
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Theres one of these for sale near me, and I'm going to try and have a look at it this weekend. I know all about the rust (my 240D's final MOT was summed up by the tester as "good news is the headlights work"), clunky autoboxes, saggy seats and knackered self levelling. The main thing I'm not sure about is if there is anything specific to watch out for on the engine.
According to the service guide from Practical Classics the 2.3s need the timing chains done every 60k miles, but I'm not sure if this applies to the 2.8s as well.
Its a 1981 with about 260k miles on it.
Anyone know of anything else to watch for?
Thanks
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1982 Mercedes 280TE
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Jun 17, 2008 12:00:12 GMT
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Don't think there's much bar the usual. Think you're right that the chain is more of an issue on the 2.3 but at that mileage, you want to keep an ear open for rattles.
A very useful tool.
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Jun 17, 2008 12:39:37 GMT
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As far as I know, the only timing chain problems was with the single ones that some 280's (possibly only in the States) had. EU 280s had Duplex chains so it wasn't an issue. Not heard of the four-pots needing timing chains every 60k before. Nothing really specific to look for engine-wise, they're pretty bullet-proof. They get a bit tappety but it doesn't seem to trouble them much. *EDIT* Ah, just noticed you're in Aus... not sure what spec 280 you got over there, regarding the timing chain.
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Last Edit: Jun 17, 2008 12:40:48 GMT by BenzBoy
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Ether
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Jun 17, 2008 12:41:32 GMT
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Yeah, the timing chain is something you'll need to investigate. Although I'd change it on spec. Also have a look around the water pump for limsecale-like buildup. They have a tendency to seize on all the Benz engines of that era.
Rocker wear is fairly common in high mileage cars, so that might be worth investigating, too. Also, watch out for vacuum leaks - they're really common with 280 engines. Bring a smoker/light a cigarette when the engine's running and hold it around the hoses. If the smoke draws in, you've got a leak and it won't run properly for very long.
Otherwise, they're a tough, if a little juicy, engine. Great cars, though.
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Jun 17, 2008 13:27:20 GMT
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Jun 17, 2008 16:18:51 GMT
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I agree with Benzboy.
I wouldn´t go as far to say that the timing chains are weakpoints though, these engines are bombproof and take a lot of neglect before playing up.
Commen sense and listening carefully when starting from cold will give you a good idea what´s going on. Don´t worry about it sounding a bit "tappetty" either, normally just weared cams and will run for years like that, sometimes new oil will sort things out.
If it´s running lumpy check the dizzy cap and leads as they´re very expensive.
Happy hunting..... ;D
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Jun 17, 2008 16:54:59 GMT
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thats the first ive heard of chains on the 4 bangers too. mines done twice that on its original one, saying that its rattling a little on start up. if the self levelling is bust don't be afraid, its not the black art that many like to make out. a semi competent person with a small number of tools could repair it. i repaired mine, so any idiot could do it. ;D
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Jun 18, 2008 11:29:42 GMT
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Thanks for the advice, and the link. All very useful.
I'll let you know how I get on.
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1982 Mercedes 280TE
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HELP ME!! I've had a look at two, and I don't know which one to go for! 1st one is a light metallic blue 1982 and is immaculate - been looked after irrespective of cost, even the rubber seal at the petrol cap has been replaced because it split! Not perfect though, couple of interior trim splits/tears, and the rear sus sits too high, the steering is very sloppy, and its done 260k miles. No apparent major engine or box work. Paint etc is excellent, new exterior trim, rechromed bumpers. 2nd one is a 1981. paint is original, got minor rust it the inside door bottoms, and a couple of body bubbles. Sunroof sits low at one corner, interior is a bit grubby but would clean up okay, a/c is knackered, got chrome arches (but no rust) and SEC alloys. It has been looked after and there are receipts to prove it, just not regardless of cost - guess it needs TLC. Drives fine, autobox is okay as is steering, and the head was rebuilt less than 3 years ago and only done about 25k since. All up it has 218k on the clock. First one is the better car, but I can't help feeling it would be one that just needed washed, polished and serviced, whereas the 2nd one is ripe for some minor mods without me feeling like I've buggered a potentially concours car. On top of that, I'd feel obliged to fix the 1st one properly if it went wrong, whereas a rear sus failure on the 2nd one would see a set of airbags chucked on all round. Bloke who owns the first one doesn't really want to sell it, whereas the 2nd guy has been told it has to go because it is sitting on his front lawn! In terms of asking price theres only about £500 between them, but I reckon the second one would swallow that up fairly quickly. I want them both, but the investment committee has said no, so now I don't know what to do! Anyone got any guidance?
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1982 Mercedes 280TE
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Bit difficult to judge from over here, but if you can afford the better one i´d go for it!
With a bit of luck the steering issue will be worn ball joints and you can adjust the steering box yourself to take up the play.
I wouldn´t worry about having a guilty concious about it being too good to modify either, go for it - it looks a good un! ;D
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Go for the one without the chrome arches Less hidden.
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levismerc
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Jul 11, 2008 11:09:55 GMT
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Yup, first one looks tasty! Bit of a steering fiddle and away you go...
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'83 Merc 280CE
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Jul 11, 2008 12:32:49 GMT
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even when your modifying stuff its always best to start with best car you can find, i'd rather spend 500 quid on wheels or whatever than buying body panels and fixing stuff.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Jul 11, 2008 12:45:45 GMT
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Defo first one - don't worry about modifying a good car - there are still thousands of them about! As repeated a hundred times on here, if you want a car to modify, start with the best example you can find.
Steering on a 260k car will almost cetainly just need tightening up on the steering box - leterally just a five minute job, although like all Benz's of this era, steering boxes will always give a little play. May be some play in other suspension components too, but parts are relatively cheap.
The chrome arches on the second car will almost certainlty be hiding grotty nastyness. Even if they were put on good arches, they are terrible water/rust traps.
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There is nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes
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