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Sunday 4th March 2007, 11:00 AM Stolen logbooks can mean getting stung when buying secondhand Thousands of faulty logbooks have been stolen from the DVLA and "several hundred" are already in circulation being used to sell cloned cars, says the red-faced Government agency responsible for driver data. Now it's warning motorists to look out for used cars being sold with dodgy paperwork, as it could be a stolen vehicle that has been given a false identity. A spokeswoman wouldn't confirm how the registration documents went missing, but admitted: "We sent the faulty batch to a secure shredding company to destroy them and are now conducting an investigation into how the documents disappeared." Bosses at vehicle history checker HPI say 11 motorists have already narrowly avoided being stung, after calling the firm about vehicles being sold with the faulty documents. Motorists can find the V5C's serial number on the top right of the certificate. The incorrect batch start with the letters BG, followed by a number from 9167501 to 9190500. The DVLA says the paperwork also has a different background colour on the Notification of Permanent Export (V5C/4) slip on the second page. This is mauve on the front and pink on the reverse - legitimate documents are mauve on both sides. Concerned buyers can call the DVLA's helpline on 0870 241 1878 or log on to www.dvla.gov.uk to check a certificate is genuine before buying. |
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room. |
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Surely the DVLA know whose registration details were on the faulty documents - I assume it's where people have sold cars, and the new V5C has been incorrectly printed and had to be redone.
If so, then why aren't they writing to all the affected owners warning them? If there was a possibility my car was about to be cloned I'd want to know about it... in fact I'd want the DVLA to issue me a new registration, since it's their fu'cup. It's only a matter of pressing buttons, the £80 transfer fee is all internal 'costs' so wouldn't actually cost them a penny.
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Never trust a man
Who names himself Trevor.
Or one day you might find
He's not a real drug dealer.
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Stolen V5's BenzBoy
@benzboy
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Surely the DVLA know whose registration details were on the faulty documents - I assume it's where people have sold cars, and the new V5C has been incorrectly printed and had to be redone. I think they were blanks. It looks like the DVLA got a duff consignment from the printers and sent them off to get pulped, but were intercepted. The crims could just print on whatever car details they wanted on them  |
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2nd time this has happened in as many years...
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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I used to work at a place that destoryed all the dvla stuff, usually old logboogs from scrapped cars... Wonder if its the same company....
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1987 Maestro 1.6 HL perkins diesel conversion 1986 Audi 100 Avant 1800cc on LPG 1979 Allegro Series 2 special 4 door 1500cc with vynil roof. IN BITS. HERITAGE ISSUES.  |
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Mar 11, 2007 16:51:45 GMT
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The V5 is a pretty worthless piece of paper, really. Contesting ownership of a car is a difficult thing that goes beyond the log book. The DVLA are absolutely inept, and if they didnt have the monopoly on what they do and had to run themselves as a business, they would probably collapse within ten minutes.
I`ve known cars with an extra identical V5 sent to their new owners, unrequested, by the DVLA quite a few times now, for seemingly no reason at all.
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Last Edit: Mar 11, 2007 16:52:13 GMT by vicsmith
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Stolen V5's BenzBoy
@benzboy
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Mar 15, 2007 22:19:31 GMT
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I`ve known cars with an extra identical V5 sent to their new owners, unrequested, by the DVLA quite a few times now, for seemingly no reason at all. I ended up with 2 for the Volvo. One was a DVLA Northern Ireland document, or so they told me. I agree with you, they are totally useless! ;D |
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Mr K
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I`ve known cars with an extra identical V5 sent to their new owners, unrequested, by the DVLA quite a few times now, for seemingly no reason at all. I ended up with 2 for the Volvo. One was a DVLA Northern Ireland document, or so they told me. I agree with you, they are totally useless! ;D i had 2 for the kitten, the MOT man mis read the chassis plate (they are all hand engraved), and i got a phone call asking what it realy was, when i looked the V5 clearly had a digit wrong as well!!! got lots of opinions on it and in the end i wrote back to them saying what i thought it was and they sent me a second v5 and mot certificate that all matched up, leaving me with the old ones which were one digit wrong! i destroyed it, but, thirded, the DVLA are a bunch of usless fools. |
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Jun 27, 2007 13:39:04 GMT
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My son fell foul of this scam. He bought a Merc Sprinter van off an add in autotrader for £6500. He HPI'ed it twice with different companies, checked the vin matched the V5 and went to the guys house to buy it. The MOT was the new style and looked totally authentic and it was only when he tried to tax it that the awful truth became apparent. The chap at the local taxation office said that it was the third case that week, all vans.This is a very clever scam as even the MOT was a forgery. The van was stolen from a hire company,hence the keys were the original ones and worked all the locks,arousing no suspicion. The van was rented on false papers that withstood inspection so there are some rather clever lowlifes involved.
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Jun 30, 2007 11:40:11 GMT
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thats shocking - why not post up the sellers address?
that will teach him
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room. |
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Stolen V5's arthurbrown
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Jun 30, 2007 11:42:03 GMT
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Still not quite sure I understand how this works.
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They clone another vehicle, copying the VIN and reg plates. It appears on HPI lists as no problems. They must HPI a passing vehicle to make sure there is no finance on it, and use that info to make up the false docs and plates. It took the cops 30 secs to find one of the hidden chassis numbers (apparently there are numerous hidden codes on all modern vehicles, giving the true identity) and a further 2 mins on a laptop to tell us who legally owned the vehicle. The van belonged to a hire company who carry their own insurance so there had been no claim made and the van is being returnedto the rightfull owners.
An expensive lesson learned.
BTW, when the police went to the sellers house, the tenant was not the seller and denied all knowledge of the van.
The police don't seem to care who stole the van or my son's predicament, they seem pleased enough to have found a stolen van and are not looking any further in the matter.
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ezzyrs
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Aug 21, 2007 19:59:11 GMT
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They clone another vehicle, copying the VIN and reg plates. It appears on HPI lists as no problems. They must HPI a passing vehicle to make sure there is no finance on it, and use that info to make up the false docs and plates. It took the cops 30 secs to find one of the hidden chassis numbers (apparently there are numerous hidden codes on all modern vehicles, giving the true identity) and a further 2 mins on a laptop to tell us who legally owned the vehicle. The van belonged to a hire company who carry their own insurance so there had been no claim made and the van is being returnedto the rightfull owners. An expensive lesson learned. BTW, when the police went to the sellers house, the tenant was not the seller and denied all knowledge of the van. The police don't seem to care who stole the van or my son's predicament, they seem pleased enough to have found a stolen van and are not looking any further in the matter.Thats a disgrace, and pretty typical of a good proportion of Police Forces in the UK. They would consider that as a result, but its not for the other victim involved.  |
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Last Edit: Aug 21, 2007 20:01:58 GMT by ezzyrs
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Sept 15, 2007 17:12:35 GMT
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oh who would steal a v5
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Sept 18, 2007 8:52:27 GMT
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someone wanting to sell stolen cars would
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Sept 18, 2007 13:35:10 GMT
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Stolen V5's arthurbrown
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Sept 18, 2007 15:08:01 GMT
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