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Jan 21, 2024 22:10:27 GMT
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Hi guys
Are all 1983 and older cars now MOT / Tax / ULEZ exempt?
Any do they become automatically exempt from their 40th birthday?
Thanks for your advice
Cheers Rob
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Current retro - 1996 Alfa Romeo GTV / Daily - 2016 Nissan Qashqai Previous retros - Prelude, Integra, XR2s, XR3s, Orions, CRXs, Sylvia S12, S13, Pulsar, ZX 16v, 205 Gti, MX5, MR2 etc
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vulgalour
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Do all 40+ cars become exempt?vulgalour
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Short answer is no.
For a longer answer, Morsels and Motors recently did a video on it that explains it.
Anything that isn't heavily modified and 40+ should qualify for ULEZ and MoT exemption. Not everything 40+ qualifies for Tax exemption, depends on build/first registration date.
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And keep in mind that the VED exemption comes in on April 1st after the vehicle is 40 years old, not January 1st. At the moment anything built during 1982 or earlier is exempt as long as it meets the modification rules, on April 1st this year vehicles built during 1983 will become exempt.
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slater
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Jan 22, 2024 12:00:30 GMT
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MOT yes, automatically becomes exempt on the day its 40. For Ulez, Tax etc No they become exempt from the April after their 40th. You will have to get the logbook changed to historic tax class at a post office for that.
Ive got a 1983 truck that's already 40 so no MOT needed but still not historic until April.
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Jan 22, 2024 13:39:21 GMT
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I've had the DVLA automatically send me updated log books when a car turns 40+April so I assume you don't need to change it at the post office unless they forget or the car is somehow "out of the system"
Also - for ULEZ, don't rely on the ULEZ checker online, thats not accurate. The accurate way is to add the vehicle to your ULEZ Autopay account and it will tell you what the status is.
This is because the ULEZ Checker works off date of registration not date of manufacture so if your car is an import, barn find or some cases a registration transfer car then it gets it wrong.
Weirdly there are multiple status for non-payment and I have ones showing "exempt" "compliant" and I think the last one is "zero rate". I asked TfL what the difference was and they didn't know!
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awoo
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Jan 22, 2024 19:45:22 GMT
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I have an early 1980s Y reg vespa, it was first registered here in 2002 as it was imported from Italy, as stated in the V5.
Would it still be exempt does anyone know please?
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vulgalour
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Do all 40+ cars become exempt?vulgalour
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Jan 22, 2024 20:21:07 GMT
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From what I understand, if you can get proof of the date it was built then you should get exemption, even though it's UK registered much later than that. Happy to be corrected if I'm misinformed on that one.
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ChasR
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Do all 40+ cars become exempt?ChasR
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Jan 22, 2024 21:06:46 GMT
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I've had the DVLA automatically send me updated log books when a car turns 40+April so I assume you don't need to change it at the post office unless they forget or the car is somehow "out of the system" Also - for ULEZ, don't rely on the ULEZ checker online, thats not accurate. The accurate way is to add the vehicle to your ULEZ Autopay account and it will tell you what the status is. This is because the ULEZ Checker works off date of registration not date of manufacture so if your car is an import, barn find or some cases a registration transfer car then it gets it wrong. Weirdly there are multiple status for non-payment and I have ones showing "exempt" "compliant" and I think the last one is "zero rate". I asked TfL what the difference was and they didn't know! That's good to know (y). I may just do that going forwards, given that my bro-in-law is based in Croydon. After all, it' good to be sure. That said, the checker has normally been reliable for me, albeit on newer stuff, where things aren't quite so simple, as in Euro 3-5 cars. My 2003 M3 is ULEZ exempt as was my 2002 ST220, but a mate's 2002 Clio V6 wasn't, which if you reference the NOx emissions on the V5, is correct. What doesn't help matters is that the DVLA/Government seem to have their records off, depending on how the computer/personel interpret blank emissions data on the V5s. Alpinas are a very funny one for example; probably since the dealers filled in the forms for them where they may not have put down the emissions data, which the sites go off. Alpina would buy a BMW off BMW, and then put on an 'Alpina' VIN once it had the Alpina conversion, so I'd guess registering them isn't the same as a normal run-of-the-mill car. As examples: -Mate's 2003 E39 Alpina B10 3.3 isn't exempt, as the emissions data is blank ; To be fair, a CoC will see that exempt, as others have done, since it's within the limits for Euro 4 petrol NOx emissions. -Some 2009-2014 E90 and E91 Alpina D3s appear to be exempt, because the data is blank. Others aren't ; It's caused a bit of a stir with the London Alpina community, as I am sure you can imagine, with some rejoicing their derv is exempt, as others being annoyed, and selling up. Technically speaking, none of them "should" be exempt, since they're over the Euro 6 NOx and PM limits ; I may remove this statement just in case some 'folks' catch wind of that. -Imports are a minefield for a similar reason : JDM stuff especially, but that may be down to those imports being quite common, relatively speaking. I have an early 1980s Y reg vespa, it was first registered here in 2002 as it was imported from Italy, as stated in the V5. Would it still be exempt does anyone know please? On a Y, it's unlikely to be exempt, as per the above comments referencing April 1st 1983 cars becoming exempt this year, as per Slater's comments. Does it say in the logbook waht the first year of manufacture is? Most imports I've had normally state this, which means it's simply a case of going to the Post office, handing over the V5, the staff there then stating it is historic, and then getting the logbook back a few weeks later. I've just had to do the above with a 1979 moped I bought.
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Last Edit: Jan 22, 2024 21:13:53 GMT by ChasR
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awoo
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Jan 22, 2024 22:02:35 GMT
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Y is 1982-83. As of this year it will be past this threshold in April. The .gov website gives the current status as of 2023 on when something becomes historic:
Vehicles exempt from vehicle tax If your vehicle was built before 1 January 1983, you can stop paying vehicle tax from 1 April 2023.
If you do not know when your vehicle was built, but it was registered before 8 January 1983, you do not need to pay vehicle tax from 1 April 2023.
I’m pretty sure it says mine was made in 2002, I’ll have to dig it out but this is definitely not correct and I suspect an error due to it being imported in 2002. I’ll probably have to get the V5 sorted to reflect the correct age I suspect
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mk2cossie
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Jan 22, 2024 22:02:57 GMT
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So with my car being February 1984, after April this year its 40 years old. And then tax exempt/historic Or is it 40+1 year? The mention of 1983 above has now confused me
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jimi
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Jan 22, 2024 22:46:04 GMT
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The official line
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Last Edit: Jan 22, 2024 22:47:21 GMT by jimi
Black is not a colour ! .... Its the absence of colour
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slater
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To be fair they use two totally contradictory statements but my understanding is it has to be 40 on the January before the April if that makes sense. No harm in trying Thom
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Last Edit: Jan 23, 2024 7:50:54 GMT by slater
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So with my car being February 1984, after April this year its 40 years old. And then tax exempt/historic Or is it 40+1 year? The mention of 1983 above has now confused me No. Note that it's before 1983, so "made in 1982". Currently, qualifying cars manufactured before January 1st 1983 are VED exempt, as per the DVLA web site. From April 1st this year, presuming nothing changes between now and then, that cut-off date will jump forward by a year, and qualifying cars manufactured before January 1st 1984 will become VED exempt. As your car was manufactured in February 1984, presuming it qualifies and nothing changes between now and then, it will become VED exempt on April 1st 2025. If your car was registered in February 1984, you might be able to prove that it was actually manufactured in 1983, and if the DVLA accept that proof, then it would be eligible on April 1st this year. There was talk that you would run the risk of having the registration changed to an age-appropriate one, and at least one case in the classic press of that happening, but I know others who have not had that problem. There's a general assumption that the date of first registration is the same as the date manufactured for normal purposes, but ways to separate those two dates for stuff like this. The cut-off date is the start of a new year, but the exemption period doesn't begin until April 1st. On April 1st this year, the cut-off date (currently 1st January 1983) jumps forward by 12 months to 1st January 1984.
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Jan 23, 2024 14:02:55 GMT
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From what I understand, if you can get proof of the date it was built then you should get exemption, even though it's UK registered much later than that. Happy to be corrected if I'm misinformed on that one. Correct. My 1975 Ford LTD was registered in the UK in 2022 and it is MOT, Tax and ULEZ exempt.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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mk2cossie
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Jan 23, 2024 16:18:43 GMT
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So with my car being February 1984, after April this year its 40 years old. And then tax exempt/historic Or is it 40+1 year? The mention of 1983 above has now confused me No. Note that it's before 1983, so "made in 1982". Currently, qualifying cars manufactured before January 1st 1983 are VED exempt, as per the DVLA web site. From April 1st this year, presuming nothing changes between now and then, that cut-off date will jump forward by a year, and qualifying cars manufactured before January 1st 1984 will become VED exempt. As your car was manufactured in February 1984, presuming it qualifies and nothing changes between now and then, it will become VED exempt on April 1st 2025. If your car was registered in February 1984, you might be able to prove that it was actually manufactured in 1983, and if the DVLA accept that proof, then it would be eligible on April 1st this year. There was talk that you would run the risk of having the registration changed to an age-appropriate one, and at least one case in the classic press of that happening, but I know others who have not had that problem. There's a general assumption that the date of first registration is the same as the date manufactured for normal purposes, but ways to separate those two dates for stuff like this. The cut-off date is the start of a new year, but the exemption period doesn't begin until April 1st. On April 1st this year, the cut-off date (currently 1st January 1983) jumps forward by 12 months to 1st January 1984. Dammit! VIN build date code on mine places it as January 1984, so another year for me to wait then 😔
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Jan 23, 2024 20:26:45 GMT
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Don't know if they still do it but they used to automaticaly accept anything registered in the first week as built in the preceeding year.
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Don't know if they still do it but they used to automaticaly accept anything registered in the first week as built in the preceeding year. Yes, that's still the case and noted on the DVLA web site: "If you do not know when your vehicle was built, but it was first registered before 8 January 1983, you can still apply to stop paying vehicle tax." I guess the assumption is that it must have been built the year before if it was registered in the first week.
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tofufi
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Jan 26, 2024 10:09:45 GMT
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Do we know what proof they'll accept for demonstration of age of the vehicle?
My Mercedes has a build date of 1986-09-17 but was registered end of January 1987. I'm looking forward to not having to pay to tax it for the few hundred miles a year it does...
(I did google it, but couldn't find anything - perhaps my google-fu is weak today)
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Last Edit: Jan 26, 2024 10:11:26 GMT by tofufi
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Jan 26, 2024 12:03:27 GMT
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In my case, I had a document from Vauxhall Heritage showing the month and year that my car was built (VX don't have records to the day, or probably do in a mountain of paperwork in a container somewhere). I believe that if you're in a club that the DVLA recognise for the V765 scheme, they'll accept that too.
What do you have with the build date on it now?
I'm hoping the rules will still be the same by the time my Audi coupe (registered January 1986) is eligible. I must look into how to find an Audi build date as it wasn't registered until the 25th.
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tofufi
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Jan 26, 2024 14:37:17 GMT
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What do you have with the build date on it now? I'm hoping the rules will still be the same by the time my Audi coupe (registered January 1986) is eligible. I must look into how to find an Audi build date as it wasn't registered until the 25th. Personally, I've just got the data that Mercedes VIN decoders (available freely online) spit out. I'll try contacting Mercedes. Thanks Edit: Just found this. homologation.mercedes-benz.com/Mercedes want £180 for a letter confirming the age (build date) of a classic car. Yet a post 1985 car they only want £72... At £180 I'd be better off paying the tax for the few months it'll get used that year!
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Last Edit: Jan 26, 2024 14:45:08 GMT by tofufi
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