mrbig
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I've been following a few threads on twitter recently of stolen classics and their subsequent theft and wondering what we can do about it.
Had a thought last night about creating a mailing list. Between us we probably cover most social media groups and forums etc and quite often see such stories, but there isn't a centralised medium to collate everything.
If there was a website with an integrated mailing list anyone unlucky enough to lose their car could upload details and the site would automatically email out details and photos to everyone on the list. We could have the details of any stolen car circulated nationwide to potentially hundreds of people within minutes.
Such things are not my forte so I'm not sure how feasible it is? Does anyone have any suggestions or feedback? I'm thinking I might be able to do it on a basic GoDaddy site but I'm barely an amateur at such things...
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It wouldn't be a terrible web site to code - allow people to sign up and enter the details of their car(s) into a central database along with their contact details. A decent amount of storage would be required, because it's not use if we only have twenty cars in it. I'd expect I could knock that up in a decent day, then all we need is a domain name and some hosting. Code to send the email whenever something gets stolen is fairly simple, though we'd have to be certain that everyone who signs up also updates their details whenever they buy a new car, get rid of a car, or change their email address.
What concerns me (and it's probably trivial to someone with more experience) is the potential for data breaches that would allow someone to get in and download all those personal details. It may be that name, email address and (perhaps) phone number isn't that sensitive.
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mrbig
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Nov 23, 2023 15:50:52 GMT
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What I had in my mind wouldn't involve storing any details other than an email address and maybe a first name. If someone's car is stolen, they fill in a quick google form (or similar) which captures their phone number (or police contact), picture of the car, reg number and time/date of the location the car was last seen. Those details then go out to all the subscribers to keep their eyes peeled.
No need to keep car details on file anywhere minimising the risk of data breaches.
Just a thought anyway. I guess it would need some commercial sponsorship somehow, I wonder if a classic car insurer might like to get involved?
Just trying to figure out if it's feasible.
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1969 German Look Beetle - in progress
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Nov 23, 2023 18:08:12 GMT
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It seems very feasible, it's basically just an email address database. Actually I think the trouble with having commercial sponsorship is that the backer would probably want to be able to mailshot the database from time to time in return for their money. Only by making it entirely run by enthusiasts do you get away from that temptation.
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jimi
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Nov 23, 2023 19:22:06 GMT
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Even an email address is classed as personal data under GDPR. If you setup a Website that store's email addresses you better have very good security and you can't share email addreses without a very good legal reason. GDPR can be a minefield, there's a lot more to setting up a site like that than a few lines of code. I think in general the idea is great, but I don't think setting up a website for it is best thing to do. RR already has a Stolen forum, why not utilise that (with HoTWire 's permission/agreement) RR already has everything in the way of security/GDPR/etc in place, photo's can be posted and the members cover just about every Classic car genre imaginable. ? Apologies to HoTWire for presuming your OK with this idea, please remove my post if your not 😎
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Last Edit: Nov 23, 2023 19:37:10 GMT by jimi
Black is not a colour ! .... Its the absence of colour
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There used to be a specific website for stolen classics. I can't recall it but it was something like "stolenclassics.co.uk"
Not sure if it still exists.
I think the problem is that people are unlikely to be generally looking at that list for any reason unless they had thier own car stolen. I have certainly never looked at it since I first found it existed. 15 years ago or something.
When these things work its because info about a stolen car gets into the general public domain which is what Facebook and Instagram are good for.
The problem with this is that at times we get slews of "this car was stolen, lets make it too hot to handle" and there are no details which would be in anyway useful - like owner content details, crime number, time/date of theft. Some of them result in a "this content not available" - some of these are like 2 years old and on social media one wonders if some of them get made up.
also also classic car thefts are depressing. A lot of people won't engage with it. A lot of people only want to engage with it as a way of ranting their anger at the world and chest-beating about what they'd do if someone tried to steal their car.
What we can do about it....
Sadly its about taking the responsibility to secure your own property. Its about not buying parts from people who are questionable. its about reporting things you see which are suspicious. Its sadly about being properly insured (not just always getting the lowest quote) etc etc.
it would be great if we could prevent people from stealing cars (and parts, and tools) but we can't. It would be great if we could have a police force and courts who can deal effectively with this, and that really varies based on where you live. it would be great if banger racers, historic rally and all the various groups where some stolen cars are headed would keep their house in order. Well, maybe they will, probably won't. Sadly I think with the economic downturn there may be a lot of increased temptation for a lot of dishonst folks.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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mrbig
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Nov 24, 2023 11:33:02 GMT
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What I had in my mind was a sort of push notification type system. The owner can report it stolen, and then the details (including crime number, photos, time/location of theft etc) get circulated to subscribers. As mentioned above, getting folks to go and check a list is difficult and not at all timely.
The subscriber opens the email, sees the details of the car and then gets on with their day. Should they happen to see such a car on a trailer or hidden at the back of a yard they will remember the email and check the details.
I'm involved of loads of car clubs/facebook groups etc., as I'm sure many of you are. I don't think it would be difficult to circulate details of such a scheme, but I'm sensing resistance already, so I might just give it up as a bad idea.
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1969 German Look Beetle - in progress
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Nov 24, 2023 18:00:07 GMT
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Hmm. Push notification of some sort would be a more proactive way to do it than the lists and so on. If all the details are mandatory on the form to register it then its getting away from the issues which social media has being more freeform.
I actually think you could use sponsorship positively on this, without selling a mailing list off it and the GDPR issues therein.
Simply using banner ad type advertising from sponsors, and car insurance has a vested interest in this...
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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