braaap
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Who likes to share his/her knowledge about the different styles of japanese custom car culture? Please shed some light onto the phourwheeled phenomenons like bosozoku, silhouette cars, those vans that look like giant samurai helmets, yakuzas white luxury cars, etc. This thread has been inspired by this little thread hijack in akku 's So, Japan... thread; I do love this thread as there's so much that's new to me. Is there any sort of lay person's guide to the various Japanese car styles and subcultures? I understand Kei cars as the small cars under a certain size, and Bozo-thingamybob being the cartoonish cars with extended fronts, crazy exhausts and so on. after that it gets a bit confusing for me. Same here with me. grizz has just posted some of these mega cambered cars that got me thinking. Maybe worth another individual thread about nippon car culture? Same here with me. grizz has just posted some of these mega cambered cars that got me thinking. Maybe worth another individual thread about nippon car culture? Posted the pics, bitting my lip, but clearly not biting hard enough. I absolutely do not get those silly extremes, you can do absolutely nothing with those cars. BUT, they are pretty. The Bosozuko thing is interesting as its very much associated with Japan but is very much "not Japanese" in culture. My brother, being a long time Japanese resident and employed in a field associated to law enforcement has a particular view on it. The phrase means "running wild" or "out of control" or similar, and is intented to be outrageous and disrespectful. Not very Japanese! It started off like the hot rod and biker gang stuff we are used to hearing about from the US but morphed into what is basically a recruiting model for organised crime. You do your apprenticeship in the bosozuko then get recruited into one of the yakusa organisations. the lurid cars, bikes and dress sense is intended as a sort of proof of how hard you are. I don't know enough about it to say whether its like the lowrider culture in the US where there is both a gang element and a law abiding element, where folks have taken stylistic influence from the criminal gangs (and in US low riding it was really the other way round, the gangs taking the style) But theres none of that in my photos because when I asked to try find stuff I was just told it was criminal activity, drugs, pimps and so on and we were going nowhere near it. I also wanted to try find the illegal night street racing but also got a flat no on that one as well oh well.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Last Edit: May 9, 2023 20:25:17 GMT by akku
1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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dikkehemaworst
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We need Jarmo to help us explain....
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The lorries are mental
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Theres a surprising amount of American stuff out there, and some quite heavily customised stuff like Mercuries, Buicks, Impalas and the like. There is also a thing for taking those "Americaneque" Japanese sedans and wagons and doing them jacked up with side pipes, slot mags, Cragar S/S and the like. I can find no pictures online easily no idea what search terms I'd need to use for those...
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Theres a surprising amount of American stuff out there, and some quite heavily customised stuff like Mercuries, Buicks, Impalas and the like. There is also a thing for taking those "Americaneque" Japanese sedans and wagons and doing them jacked up with side pipes, slot mags, Cragar S/S and the like. I can find no pictures online easily no idea what search terms I'd need to use for those... They tend to be part of the Mooneyes scene, so All Odds Nationals and Street Car Nationals tend to bring a few up. Also worth noting their Lowrider scene is second to none.
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Last Edit: May 9, 2023 20:35:50 GMT by HoTWire
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HoTWire - you can expect some more of the super silhouette stuff from my adventures in Yama, and indeed both those cars in that photo will feature in that... I also am aware Mooneyes runs a show / or two which has a lot of that stuff at it, which from the photos looks proper quality, if sometimes a little over styled for my tastes. I've heard of their lowrider scene stuff but seen none myself.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Dekochari 🤨
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How many lifetimes you got? Because this is a topic we could talk about for months and still barely scratch the surface. Japans a densely populated country with radically diverse and endless subculture in a subculture when it comes to cars. Going back to "Bosozoku" - not to get pedantic about it, because I really think the Japanese lads don't take themselves too seriously, which is a healthy attitude, but I think the thing to remember is Bosozoku is primarily a bike culture and what are seen as "boso" cars don't always fit neatly into that, but what does? Bosozoku literally means "violent running tribe" and is associated with gangs of kids on heavily modded 250 - 400 cc motorycles with exaggerated fairings, big seat backs, extended forks and most importantly LOUD pipes. These were disaffected kids, often unable to keep up with an excessively demanding school system, often ethinically Korean in some case I believe, the people that didn't fit in and couldn't color between the lines, often seen as ripe recruiting grounds for Yakuza. I think westerners like to focus on the cool aspect and perhaps ignore the socially problematic aspect, but that's a bit deep for a car forum. Like any youth subculture its peak had long passed before we became aware of it. Sure there are people still rocking around on Boso bikes, but it's proabably a bit like how Mods and Rockers are no longer the social existential threat they used to be and now it's all fuzzy nostalgia. What we'd call Boso in cars is more often referred to as Zokusha (literally "Car Gang") in Japan and has as multitude of sub-styles and is part of a big crossover venn diagram of overlapping styles that may or may not be "Boso". You have Shakotan which is just a catch all term that just refers to pretty much any old car, usually that's been lowered, from very mild (Kyusha) to wild like Grachan (the Silhoutte race inspired cars). Kei isn't a culture, it's much more boring than that - it's a tax class. Thats it. Kei specifies external dimensions and engine size and has various incentives for things like purchase tax, ongoing admin fees (road tax I guess), parking (e.g. it's the only size car you can have in some prefectures where you don't need to prove you own a parking space), insurance, etc. ..but a lot of these have been rolled back in recent years. It started out at 360cc (hence cars like the Subaru 360), went up to 550cc by the 80s (maybe earlier, not sure), then the size where it hit its bubble era peak - 660cc which it's stayed with right up to today apart from a change to increase exterior dimensions ever so slightly in 1998 due to tougher safety regs. Kei has a huge range of vehicles within it - hatchbacks, vans, trucks, sports cars, off roaders like certain versions of the Suzuki Jimny, there is also a Caterham that fits these regs and Japanese market smart cars so it's not exclusively Japanese either, just something you can fit a model into to gain certain advantages if you sell in Japan. The thing to remember too is there is stuff based on Kei cars, but not Kei, especially for export markets. People will describe things like Bedford Rascals, Suzuki Wagon Rs, Suzuki Whizz Kid, Opel/Vauxhall Agila as kei, but they're not. They do have their roots in Kei Cars and I'm not trying to be "gatekeepery" here, these export models are sometimes better, because you get a bigger engine! ..or in the case of the Suzuki Jimny, wider arches along with a 1.3 litre engine (The kei version is narrower and has to loose the external spare wheel). We really could be here for ages like I said and barely cover it. Three sites worth checking out to clue yourself in, only one in English, but the other two have nice pictures! japanesenostalgiccar.com/motor-fan.jp/weboption/nosweb.jp/nostalgichero
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Last Edit: May 9, 2023 22:40:30 GMT by crankcase
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One thing that absolutely is a subculture is making Kei cars look like other, bigger cars, sort of Automotive cosplay. Dream Factory Blow specializes in making Kei Vans look like tiny versions of American ones This is a Suzuki Cappuccino underneath: Suzuki Cara (Suzuki version of the AZ-1), made to look like a Miura
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Kanjo style - refers to the "Kanjo Loop", an orbital section of raised urban highway in Osaka, where absolute nutters race their Honda Civics, highly illegally. Can't exactly condone it, but it is fascinating.
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Last Edit: May 9, 2023 23:09:41 GMT by crankcase
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If you watch the mighty car mods Japan feature films they are quite informative. Driftworks also did a couple of good films on Youtube as well.
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Very enlightening. I could never have guessed when I woke up that I'd have a sudden desire for a tiny Cobra replica.
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#metoo for the tiny cobra
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I downloaded this a long time a go, was going to add the Boso bike gang bit but beaten too it and much better than I could do 😎👌
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I've got a massive tiny Cobra wantface.
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braaap
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May 10, 2023 10:29:38 GMT
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I wish Retroscenemag was still up as I did an explanation article about all of this stuff. From Shakotan to Kaido Racer to Bosozoku then through to VIP and the evolution of the Oni Camber extreme stance scene. Thanks HoTWire , was that ever published on paper or only online and no longer accessible? How many lifetimes you got? Because this is a topic we could talk about for months and still barely scratch the surface. Japans a densely populated country with radically diverse and endless subculture in a subculture when it comes to cars. And also music btw. Thank You so much for taking the time for this "little" excursion into japanese subcultures. I'm aware that (after WWII probably) Japan absorbed a lot of foreign cultures and added it to their long history and found their way to combine both. Traditional values have been kept widely but sometimes a generation feels the need to break certain rules, but that's certainly a worldwide thing, just like the mentioned punk/rocker/mod scenes in the UK. And sometimes such subscenes conquer the world more or less. Lowriders are probably a latino-mexican-american thing and have spread worldwide (correct me here if I'm wrong). But japanese styles hardly ever made it to other continents - only every now and then. And that's a shame because I really like the following and would really like to see this kind of modification more over here: One thing that absolutely is a subculture is making Kei cars look like other, bigger cars, sort of Automotive cosplay. Dream Factory Blow specializes in making Kei Vans look like tiny versions of American ones
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braaap
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May 10, 2023 10:34:59 GMT
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Now I really would like to know why people do that extreme cambering thing? Any advantages or pure provocation? You ruin a costly tire in high speed and You actually have as much road contact as this Porsche:
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