vulgalour
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Mar 31, 2023 23:21:25 GMT
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All being well, I've got this arriving in the morning. It's a 1950s (probably 50-52) Lanchester LD10, reg is PPD550.
I've bought it as a donor, not to restore. Putting it back on the road or making money from selling the plate is not something I'm that bothered about because that's not why I've bought it. However, I want to make sure I'm not throwing something useful away before I do.
I'll be stripping almost everything off the chassis, I'm told it has no gearbox, the engine is dismantled, and I'll be keeping the running gear for spares. That means it won't be a rolling chassis, just a bare one.
Is it worth me trying to get a V5 for this so that it makes a fifties chassis available to someone looking to build a special with an age related plate? Or is it going to be too much hassle and I should just bin it for scrap money to invest in the cars I am keeping on the road.
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16grit
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The nearest I came to this was a good few years ago with a bike I was restoring. At that time they were accepting the documentary evidence from original historic local vehicle licensing offices that contained chassis number and the reg the local authority bestowed upon the car as sufficient proof to move forward. Is this the same now?
First step is to follow up the 'area' coding in the reg, the 2nd & 3rd letter combo in the reg, and then google to see if that local authority managed to escape the records vandalism of the 70s that destroyed the larger part of our national vehicle registration archive.
From a 10 second google it appears that 'PD' is a Preston reg and that Preston / Lancashire records ***may*** still exist in their local archive. Where this is the case, you pay for a local authority 'researcher' to check the record and make a copy of it to supply to the powers that be.
This would then need to be supplemented with as much evidence as possible (old tax discs/ garage records in the car/ owners club? etc etc??) and forwarded to the powers that be for assessment.
None of that may still be applicable but that is certainly how things could be approached in the past.
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dragon
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It doesn't show up on a DVLA check so it could be more hassle than its worth.
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zeberdee
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Have done this with a couple of bikes for a mates dad recently .
I joined the owners club for the NSU moped & they helped me through the process , no probs . Took around 8 weeks from memory .
The BSA i did on my own , hit a couple of snags , but nothing major . Took a little longer , but i was in no rush .
The one thing i’d say is take good photos . The ones i took of the chassis & number plate i tool a few , each one further away so they could all be linked by someone else looking at them to prove they were definitely from that vehicle . Give it a go , at worst you’ll have wasted a little of your time .
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zeberdee
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It doesn't show up on a DVLA check so it could be more hassle than its worth. That’s not always the case . The 2 i did didn’t show either . I took that as a good sign as the number hadn’t been removed & re allocated by the DVLA . 👍
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vulgalour
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Sounds like it doesn't hurt to try at least. There's pretty good club support for these through the Daimler and Lanchester Owners Club and although I'm not a member myself, there's a couple of folks on their forum that I'm sure would be happy to assist should need be. I'll see what I've got when it arrives and go from there.
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Any idea when it was last on the road, any time in the 70s and the reg may have been transferred to the computerised system but archived when they were running out of space. I would apply for a V5 or send them a nice letter asking for a clerical enquiry. LBF on the beige can probably help along with being and to tell you which spaz chariots were registered with similar numbers....
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vulgalour
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Came off the road in about 1990 apparently. I've sent off a V62 and now we wait and see. Taken loads of photos of it as a complete car for reference just in case too. There's a chance it still exists according to the system so here's hoping.
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I bet that the plate has been put onto retention already and hasn't been transferred onto another vehicle hence it not showing on the system. I would hold off doing any visible stripping and give it an external clean up before taking another good set of photos.
I actually quite like that plate...
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foxy99
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Jun 25, 2023 13:55:45 GMT
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I've not read the whole thread but my immediate thought was NOVA (notification of vehicle arrival)
Might sound daft but this is something required with every application for a vehicle with no reg despite the V52(?) not asking for same.
It's primarily fr imported vehicles but the GOV,UK guidance for the application form (NOVA1) specifically mentions restoration-project and barn-finds.
Basically you complete the NOVA1 (paper version, not online) and when they respond with your Nova reference you send this in along with the DVLA form and age-related certificate from owners-club then you get your UK age-related plate.
That's a simplified version but it's very common in the classic motorcycle scene (basket cases with no V5).
I had a bike for 29 years with no papers (lost them after I imported it from Jersey) and I got my ref in a fortnight, by email.
I didn't tell any lies on the form either
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1974 Daimler Double-Six VDP 1965/67 Hillman Imp pick-up 1984 VW Polo breadvan 1970s Yamaha Twins (4) 1976 Honda SS50ZK1
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I have done a few. Not on the Data base Fill out the V62 but include photos of the vehicle showing number plates, Chassis plate or stampings, basically showing it looks like a complete vehicle. They will contact you if they need anything else It takes months my last one was 4 months as I had missed some detail from the form, the key is to include as much stuff as you can to prove it exists
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It will come in handy even if you never use it
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Jun 26, 2023 17:59:25 GMT
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Came off the road in about 1990 apparently. I've sent off a V62 and now we wait and see. Taken loads of photos of it as a complete car for reference just in case too. There's a chance it still exists according to the system so here's hoping. Any updates on this? Apologies if it was already done on the car thread.
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vulgalour
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Jun 26, 2023 22:27:58 GMT
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Ah yes. I should have written a conclusion shouldn't I?
The DVLA advised that the car would only return to the road following another form and allocation of either its original plate as a non-transferable mark or, more likely given it wasn't on the system, a non-transferable age related plate.
There has been precisely zero interest in the chassis itself except from people wondering if it had a transferable plate so the decision was made to scrap it. We've salvaged the bits we need from it and along the way found more rot in the frame that was hidden. The donor simply wasn't a desireable enough car to warrant holding on to it for anything other than the purpose we've put it to.
Fighting for the ID on a scrap car wasn't something we were wanting to do in this instance, it has served its purpose extremely well as a donor and netted us some difficult to find parts for our car and spares for other people that might need them.
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Last Edit: Jun 26, 2023 22:28:29 GMT by vulgalour
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bstardchild
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Jun 26, 2023 22:28:03 GMT
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It doesn't show up on a DVLA check so it could be more hassle than its worth. That’s not always the case . The 2 i did didn’t show either . I took that as a good sign as the number hadn’t been removed & re allocated by the DVLA . 👍 Because of "finds" like this DVLA doesn't re-issue previously allocated number plates that have lapsed in the system It offers "for sale/rent" plates that were never assigned to vehicles (across a portfolio of registration ages) DVLA has declared it's not worth the risk as it has a huge number of plates it can "issue" without ending up in a conflict having sold the rights to use a plate and the original car appears
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