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Feb 21, 2023 19:32:16 GMT
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Ive got my rover 100 in bits, and I'm painting the wings bonnet and grill. I'm doing them part by part as the garage is small and has a mini in it already. So ive done them with the same base coat, and lacquer.
The wing i used octoral pf131 primer which is light grey, it has come out bright red after 2 coats of base and then the lacquer.
the bonnet i used a dark grey high build primer, and some of the octoral pf131 in places, that has come out slightly too light.
the other wing i used the dark grey primer, and i cant quite tell but its closest to the paint on the car.
i have looked and i should be using a light grey primer for the red, its rover flame red COF. So what do i do? use the dark high build i have on everything and then wet flat it, then paint it. I could thin it out some too, or get another primer.
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I do have 2k solid in the right colour too, i head this covers better, and wont matter so much about the primer. I could also lacquer that but i have no idea what to do basically now.
any ideas please?thankyou!
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Feb 21, 2023 19:42:21 GMT
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It shouldn't really matter what primer you use, if the colour is varying between the panels then you don't have enough base coat on to get the true colour.
Manufacturers had recommended primer colours to help with coverage but its always seemed strange to me as if the primer colour affects the final colour then its going to be really hard if not impossible to match any repairs in future.
If its not a metallic or pearl though I would always go for the solid 2K direct gloss as its much less hassle and if you want you can laquer this as well which i've found gives a great finish on reds but might make it stand out against the rest of the car.
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Feb 21, 2023 19:54:46 GMT
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right ok thanks
i forgot to say, i noticed that on my direct gloss mini in white, i can use tinned etch primer, wet flat that, and paint directly over. With the base you cant as it reacts. That is a big help to me in my prep time. However, the wing i did, the result i got was really good, i was well happy with it, and it s a shame for me to paint it again, it is the first panel ive done and been 100% happy with in 3 years of trying to paint!
The base coat i did 2 coats on the wing with it, i could do 3, i did get it from a place in northern ireland on ebay, it was ready mixed, its probably ok but it could be more thinners than paint.
if i did the direct gloss, i am happy to do that, but i have found so far polishing lacquer works easier for me. so i could do 2 coats of base, then 2 lacquer?
paint isnt easy at all. lol
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Feb 21, 2023 19:59:36 GMT
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Feb 23, 2023 10:27:15 GMT
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I think the new paint isn't a perfect match to the old paint. I've seen this many times when attempting to paint panels myself.
I think when this is done professionally they use colour matching tactics rather than relying on the original colour code. Even if the original paint was still precisely equivalent to the colour code it is still possible for aftermarket mixing to be off the mark and give a different result.
The ideal solution here is to paint the whole car... sadly.
Edit: unless you can find good replacement second-hand panels in the right colour then that might be another solution.
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Last Edit: Feb 23, 2023 10:27:58 GMT by ejenner
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jgtr
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Feb 23, 2023 13:52:49 GMT
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Looks like the colour match is out. I took a panel to the paint supplier which they can then match. If they are just working off a code then quite often can get poor match. They tinted the white paint for my T4 by eye and it came out as perfect colour match.
Edit - what they said above ^^^^^
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Last Edit: Feb 23, 2023 13:53:49 GMT by jgtr
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Feb 23, 2023 17:01:10 GMT
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I suppose the third and fourth solutions would be to get the paint matched by taking some of the car to the paint shop or to get it painted professionally.
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Feb 23, 2023 18:20:05 GMT
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Looks like the colour match is out. I took a panel to the paint supplier which they can then match. If they are just working off a code then quite often can get poor match. They tinted the white paint for my T4 by eye and it came out as perfect colour match. Edit - what they said above ^^^^^ Yes definately this if the colour doesn't match as a decent paint supplier should be able to vary the shade with a sample.
The OP's original query was that they were getting different colours depending on which primer they used which suggests that they aren't putting enough base coat on which is a different problem.
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Feb 23, 2023 21:09:16 GMT
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Red can be notoriously transparent when spraying and the colour of the primer underneath can definitely affect final colour. I painted an astra in the past that took 7 coats of base over a pink primer to cover. Your best option is to get a better match basecoat, repaint the wing and blend the door or if the DG you have is a good match use it and lacquer over. You can thin the DG down more than recommended and blend into the door and lacquer over it too.
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I'd say if you can see the colour variation on a photo then the colour match is really poor. Unlikely to be anything to do with prep.
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Right, had a brain fart.
My metro is Rover Flame red. I don't think has been repainted. It is base coat and lacquer.
A Mini cooper is also flame red cof paint code. My metro isnt the same colour as a mini cooper, but the wing i would say is. I can only think the base coat has faded, but if it is lacquered, can it?
I think I'm going to have to get the paint matched and go from there but i just don't understand whats happened.
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Rover has many different variations on colours, even if the colour code is the same they change mixes year on year. Flame red and targa red are the worst offenders for this but also applies to BRG, the platinum silver, nightfire red etc. Also you're not blending in to the adjacent panels so even with the correct mix, and being red, it will always be off. To get the closest match without mixing you need to take the adjacent panel to the paint suppliers and have them scan that to give you the best outcome.
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right thanks, thats what i have done. I thought that it was a totally different colour as the coopers are a bright red and my car is not. lad at work was saying the same as you automax, so ive sent a panel off to supertune to get it matched. Now, i am not blending into the next panels due to i think eventually ill paint the whole car, just not now. I want to sort any rust issues and get to some car shows this year  thanks! |
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