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Oct 28, 2021 23:24:06 GMT
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But has the floorpan been shortened? People make the mistake of 'correctly registered' as seeing what they see on the logbook, but DVLA have a more comprehensive file on their computers. It's quite likely that the changes were not oficially entered on their system, so it may say 'buggy' on the V5C but it will still be 'Volkswagen Beetle' on their records. A You can argue with them, but normally the more you do the more they dig in. If they have cancelled the logbook as their letter states and issued you a new VIN number then they will have considered it 'case closed' I'm afraid. Yes the floor pan has been shortened, presumably when it was built in the early 70s to fit the early 70s body. Then it was registered as Make beach buggy Model blank The only letter i have now does not mention a new vin number. The way I see it, my buggy has been a victim of identity theft. Trying to do things the right way just seems to make it worse Ttfn Glenn
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It's all open to their interpretation, if they treat it as a 1970 something beach buggy chassis like a old kit car chassis you should be OK , on the other hand if they look at it as a shortened beetle they might try to drive you down the IVA route. This all assumes they even noticed it was shortened, if they didn't It will just get a Q plate as a car built from component parts.
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Oct 29, 2021 10:09:01 GMT
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How about an FOI request for the info they hold on when the body type etc was changed. It's obviously been inspected at a local office when it was changed so there should be done info.
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Oct 29, 2021 10:41:44 GMT
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In the early 70s a beach buggy was built and then correctly registered as such, with its chassis number recorded Between then and now it has had its identity used on another vehicle I apply for registration for original buggy And the curse word hits the fan Ttfn Glenn
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Oct 29, 2021 11:02:57 GMT
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Yes you need to do a FOI on the information they hold on your vehicle. The fact it’s a 50s chassis registered in 72 tells you that’s when it was built and correctly reregistered though. As the owner You have reasonable grounds to request it so they shouldn’t be able to refuse. I’ve got round them saying ‘no’ to registrations in the past by doing this, then using the info they were trying to use against me against them instead. They should release all historic v5s and correspondence, but with all names and addresses blanked out.
A trade hpi may also be useful but won’t tell you as much as they hold.
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Oct 29, 2021 11:27:12 GMT
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Yes you need to do a FOI on the information they hold on your vehicle. The fact it’s a 50s chassis registered in 72 tells you that’s when it was built and correctly reregistered though. As the owner You have reasonable grounds to request it so they shouldn’t be able to refuse. I’ve got round them saying ‘no’ to registrations in the past by doing this, then using the info they were trying to use against me against them instead. They should release all historic v5s and correspondence, but with all names and addresses blanked out. A trade hpi may also be useful but won’t tell you as much as they hold. That is some really useful information, now the dumb bit. How do I go about a freedom of information request? Ttfn Glenn Stretched my IT skills to their utmost and submitted a FOI, just wait for a response now
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Oct 29, 2021 14:57:22 GMT
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Good luck! 🤞
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Oct 29, 2021 20:36:40 GMT
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Would it not be a good idea to get it inspected by somebody within the VW owners club, somebody who may have had dealings with the DVLA before? Perhaps some sort of official confirmation regarding the originality of the VIN number on the chassis from an EXPERT on the marque would also give you greater leverage?
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Oct 29, 2021 22:14:27 GMT
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Hi, The DVLA used to run a scheme of having expert signatories for each of the marques, usually from the relevant motor clubs. The Bugatti fraternity rather abused it and brought it into disrepute. Is it worth asking the DVLA, under FOI, for the appropriate member for VW's to assess and adjudicate the vehicles in question?
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Oct 29, 2021 23:15:42 GMT
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Hi, The DVLA used to run a scheme of having expert signatories for each of the marques, usually from the relevant motor clubs. The Bugatti fraternity rather abused it and brought it into disrepute. Is it worth asking the DVLA, under FOI, for the appropriate member for VW's to assess and adjudicate the vehicles in question? Colin Have spoken to the appropriate buggy aficionado this evening, he has given me a great deal of useful advice, about my buggy and how to progress with dvla, everything is now much clearer and positive Ttfn Glenn
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Oct 29, 2021 23:20:28 GMT
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Would it not be a good idea to get it inspected by somebody within the VW owners club, somebody who may have had dealings with the DVLA before? Perhaps some sort of official confirmation regarding the originality of the VIN number on the chassis from an EXPERT on the marque would also give you greater leverage? the chassis number has been inspected by a very knowledgeable member of this forum and he has stated, the font, spacing and security marks are all correct as the rolled out of Wolfsburg in November 1958 Ttfn Glenn
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Nov 29, 2021 18:06:40 GMT
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Have you made any more progress with this?
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Have you made any more progress with this? A little, found out my buggy and another, were owned by the same chap at one stage, and he used my tax and mot exempt beach buggy registration to ring his other buggy. Mine was tucked away and forgotten about, until the chap died and his buggys were sold Mine with no v5 but intact chassis number. Other buggy with my v5. Still in communication with dvla, but they seem to be moving at a glacial pace. Tried contacting my caseworker, over the last two days, with no luck, will try again tomorrow Ttfn Glenn
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Dvla now want me to re send all the information that I have already sent, to support my case? When I get time, yet another email will be sent, telling them exactly the same as I have told them before Ttfn Glenn
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Since this thread is a bit lacking in pictures My sandrail build Ttfn Glenn
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Dvla now want me to re send all the information that I have already sent, to support my case? That means they threw it away/lost it after they wrote to you last.
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I had a load of agro from them about my MK2 Jag as it came without a V5C and the chassis number they had against the registration was slightly different (mistyped) from what it was (one digit out).
I had a load of agro asking for all sorts of information and suggesting they couldn't help and then all of a sudden they said it was all fine and the V5C would be issued. I didn't argue and its all done now, I suspect that there is one person in the department who knows what they are doing and you have to be lucky to get them or it gets given to them by everyone else who doesn't know what to do and they look at it, they take a sensible view and sign it off.
In my case the car is nothing special, it was on the their system with the registration number (which isn't anything special) and the chassis number was only one digit out (5 instead of a 6) so it was likely just an error when it was put onto their computer in the late 1970's.
Kudos to whoever sorted out my case and shame on everyone else I dealt with!
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They seem to go one way or the other with no middle ground. Either you get the third degree, or cases like the one where I was given a very obviously stolen recovered rover V8 sd1, with absolutely no id, and a big hole where the chassis number should have been on the bulkhead, and I actually had to 'encourage' their inspector (when they had them) to look at it. I got a Q plate about a week later They quite obviously didn't give a f**k Sorry if I've told this before
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Jan 10, 2022 18:24:05 GMT
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Have you managed to get any further with this or are the DVLA all still on holiday/ working from home/ striking?
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Jan 10, 2022 18:55:43 GMT
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'striking' suggests that they were actually working at some point dodgerover 🤔
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