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Do Rat rides prematurely kill a car......if not done well ?
don't get me wrong, the rat look is uber cool. But I've also seen a lot of rat rides that must prematurely age or kill the car.
There was that mk1 golf recently that was well rusty - not just surface rust, but "pull it off in chunks" body rust.
Its probable that trying to emulate that "been in california / mexico for years" surface rust only has some how got lost in the translation for some peoples rides.
The majority are done well & no doubt sealed. But correct me if I'm wrong, but doesnt the matt paint also degrade the base material quicker, by not repeling the water as quickly.
If a retro was not given the "rat" treatment, I bet it would more than likely last longer on this planet.
Its like any modding scene really, there are those that do it properly & those that don't.
guess I've actually just answered my own question........its not that a rat ride prematurely kills a car......its the owners.
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The Doctor
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but don't we do that too?  wasn't that once a very nice bog standard Escort MK1? ;D WE like it, that's why we make cars look like it, but other people may think it looks gash and another classic car is ready for the scrapper. |
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Yeah it probably does, but I'll just fix it when it breaks  |
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Hmmm, interesting point and one which has crossed my mind of late. I love driving around in tatty sheds but I currently own a very tidy 2CV because maintaining the shed look (rat look but without effort or scene - just laziness!) is nigh on impossible. Eventually, rot wins and your car falls apart.
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I currently own a very tidy 2CV because maintaining the shed look (rat look but without effort or scene - just laziness!) is nigh on impossible. Yeah, but half a loaf is better than no loaf at all!  |
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yes. If I'd painted my buick 9 years ago it wouldn't be rotten now. Maybe you can get away with it in dry places but here, cars rust, and once it gets a hold then you are in that one foot in the scrap yard mode. PLus when the fashion for ratted up cars is over there will be a bucn h of cars too fukked up to be economically restored or turned into something decent. From observation a lot of these rat look cars are one (bent?) MOT away from the scrap mans torch anyway.
Theres some good ones, and some people defo taking the care to preserve patina but those are a minority.
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Yes... not everyone "gets" the rat look and it often devalues a car, putting it further down the food chain so to speak. When the time comes to sell on its difficult to find a buyer who make the effort to keep the rat on the road and will run it into the ground.
Just my opinion BTW!
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My cars are always too knackered in the first place to worry about this, but I do think you have to be a bit on the brave side to do this to any rare tin. Saying that, I'd love to own a true rat rod!
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Hold on now.... Do I sense a disturbance in the force? Rust rat patina cars are out, but Bozo's are in? OK, hang on, let me put a couple patch panels on, spray a two-part top coat, and then get right down to knackering my suspension so's to be a roadgrater, or failing that, jack up the  five feet from bubble level. The trends changed mid-stream, and I've been lost at the gate again.  |
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excuse my ignorance, but whats a "bozo" ?
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ignore that, just found out.............so thats what they call that weird modded Jtin
guess you have to be japanesse to understand it !
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A car with genuine preserved patina is cool and always will be. Its fuggin hard to preserve them like that over here. Thats what I tried with my Buick and it just rusted out.
What is not cool is someone taking say a late 1980s VW 5 door kicking a few dents in it, paint strippering the roof and painting parts of it matt black with rattle cans and declaring it to be the coolest trend in customising cars evAh.
Proper patina laden old traditonal rods are cool. People hacking up perfectly good prewar tin to make godawful badly assembled ugly fashion rides is not. Its worse, its a waste of good material.
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Ive been into classics/retros for............... well, I was born into it and I'm 28. My 'roots' are as a full-on classic buff, but on the other hand i love a certain destructive motor sport. Ive seen the classic car scene change over the years and new trends appear, then there are other 'extreme' trends that start as an off-shoot of the original subtle trend. The rat look is the same, one person starts it then someone else has a go, then it goes on from there. Rallying effectivly destroys the original-ness of a car, even if its transformed into a car thats much more capable. Customising a car can change a car completly. Drifting, or anysort of motorsport can lead to an early end for a car, even just using a car wears it out! When i was a kid I used to think that concourse cars were the best thing in the world, but now i think they're pants. A car is there to be used, and used for whatever the owner wishes. If the rat look is popular enough to stir enough enthusiasm in people to effectivly have a scene all of its own, then that can only be a good thing. The classics are still being used and enjoyed. Thats what its all about, isnt it? No matter what people do to a car or however the scene goes, the number of classics left in existance will always fall, they always have.
Kind of went off on one there didnt I? lol
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Here here bmcnut! Do whatever you like with your car and forget about trends just do whatever makes you happy ;D
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most of the car's being prey to the ratted look are mk1 or mk2 golfs, and they aren't very rare are they. Mostly the car's it is done to aren't worth a full respray or decent rebuild and without the ratted look or a full makeover you don't stand out in the crowd (in the vw scene it is).
I ran a ratted passat 32B a couple of years ago and the only way to get people to take a picture of it was to make it look like it could fall apart anytime. I could have gone for the full resto but A I didn't and still don't have the money for that and B I still wouldn't have stood out. (and C I don't give a curse word anymore what people think, but that's a couple of years older and probably wiser)
fortunately we now have retro-rides and it is also not necessary anymore, praise you all for loving uncommon and unloved tat sheds!!!
unfortunately in the scenes it started in, you don't even stand out anymore with a ratted car so a new trend will soon follow.
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about 5billion micra's on the road??? And with it being a 1st car and only costing £100 i don't have the energy or money to spend on proper resprays and new sills patterns. So black bonnet and patched up sills. After ive sorted the chips and bits of curse word paint it will be going matt black as its the cheapest paint ive found. If green or pink was cheaper it would go it that colour instead  Ryan. |
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but don't we do that too? wasn't that once a very nice bog standard Escort MK1? ;D WE like it, that's why we make cars look like it, but other people may think it looks gash and another classic car is ready for the scrapper. Can i jsut say that that escort on the prom was about 30k's worth and if ti was not for the fact it was saved as rally car it would be in the bin now! Same with my Lada 2105, it was destined for the scrap yard but it had no rot what so ever!!! |
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Its not the question of "does modifying take the orignalness away" or "does modifying make a car better", the Q was does "ratting" a car hasten its end and I'm still betting that on ballance it does. Nobody questioned whether this was a good thing or not (and with the rare stuff I'd say not, with common stuff I couldn't care less)
Ryan - your post just reads like "I can't be bothered to do this properly" which is what I hear a lot form people into "rat look". My first car was a Morris Minor cost me £35. I tried to do everything right. I didn;t even have a socket set and everything was done with rattle cans. It looked a bit off but at least I tried and the next one was a bit better.
I also don't really get the "I must make my car stand out" thing. Its the same I guess as pretentious art students who dres like tramps or ladyboys or whatever just so people will look at them. Makig a Micra look well cool would be possible, even on a tight budget, it would take some vision and some skill though.
IMO you build a car because you like it, you want it to work and look good. A can or matching red paint is no dearer than a can of matt black...
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Last Edit: Nov 8, 2007 16:44:28 GMT by akku
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It annoys me when people build rat cars that are really dangerous looking then get the bod on when when they keep getting pulled because it looks like it shouldn't be on the road.
Matt
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Ali, without reference to anyone on R-R whatsoever, I think there's been a major cultural shift from the kids born of the 50's-60's to the kids born of the 80's-90's. Neither one is "better", but different.
Us older guys were taught to fit in, bend ourselves to society, sure - be a little different if you must -, but at the end of the day respect authority and mind your P's and Q's. Work as part of a team, be a bit stoic, and be a bit humble.
The younger guys have been taught (quite often by older guys themselves) to attract attention to themselves as the way to social acceptance. The pop icons are all about themselves, not their country or their school (what's that, school?) or even their ethnicities. Just them, me, me, me. "Vive l'difference" isn't a now-and-then thing to fit in around general social norms, now it is the Prime Directive.
So that gets reflected in the cars we build.
Gross generalization, of course, because there's always been rebels in every generation. But there's ben an undeniable shift of focus from "us" to a focus on "me". Right or wrong, Good or bad, Forwards or backwards, all of western civilization can stand up and take a bow for that. It's happened.
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