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I know some of you lot are VW experts, so riddle me this: Can anyone tell me what sort of engines will fit straight onto a mk2 VW Golf gearbox? I'm thinking big Audi? Porsche? The reason I ask? Well, I have an MG Montego sat it my garage with an engine problem that has flummoxed everybody that's tried to diagnose it.  I don't like 0 series engines anyway, the sump is too low and prevents any serious slamming, it's unreliable and stupid aswell. But Montego's, i'm reliably informed, use a VW Golf gearbox.... So i'm thinking theres some possibility for an interesting engine conversion here! What would you lob in?  (I would have put some pics up of the car to make the thread more interesting but my computer has gone all slow, so appologies for the visually dull thread!) |
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5 speed was honda design the 4 speed in the 1.3 monty/maestro is a mk1 golf unit.
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5 speed was honda design the 4 speed in the 1.3 monty/maestro is a mk1 golf unit. Buggeration That's scuppered that idea then! I don't fancy putting a 4 speed in  Having said that.... If a mk1 Golf box was used in the Montego, I wonder if a mk2 golf 5 speed box would fit? Or are the mk1 Golfs and mk2 Golfs different? Hmm, getting complicated!  |
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Not sure about that,but why not use a k series engine in it the MGF used a variation of the monty gearbox so i guess a k series would fit.
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That would probably be a lot easier, but TBH i've had nothing but bad luck with Rover engines, it would be nice to have something completely different under the bonnet for maximum WTF factor!  It seems there was a 5 speed mk1 Golf gearbox, which will go where a 4 speed box was on a Golf..... ergo, a 5 speeder out of a Golf should go in the Monty, in theory at least! Trying to find out if the 5 speeder VW box was ever used in the Montego/Maestro, as that would provide me with a gear linkeage and mounts etc. Keen to know what engines will offer up to the Golf box though- My googling just throws up people talking in engine codes that I don't understand! |
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if its an o series try fitting a rover 16v 2l turbo engine it is based one the o series that one..
ask ade he had one in his firenza with sherpa/sdi 2l gearbox iirc.
so he would know deffo on bellhousing patterns..
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Last Edit: Nov 5, 2007 19:45:53 GMT by B-8-D
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Cheers Si I can't get the idea of an Audi lump out of my head now though! Like a 2.2 or something mated to the Golf 5 speed box, that would be ace. Just trying to find out if the Audi lumps with bolt up to a Golf gearbox though, don't want to get my hopes up if it's going to be too much grief! |
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VR6, you know it makes sense.  |
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Can we not just plonk a V8 in and butcher the MoFo, its not earnt any loyaly points!! like your thinking though! |
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 it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts  |
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will owt Honda go in, they are painfully agreeable aren't they? |
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts |
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VR6 would rule! How cool would that be! I reckon they go for more than I can afford to throw at this project though  Honda stuff- Hmm, would be easier as I wouldn't have to change the gearbox! I really don't know where to start with those though. TBH i'd be happy with a Golf GTi lump, that would be quite nifty! Just got to find out which engine will provide the most ground clearance, then I can slam it properly |
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(showing my knowledge lack of here  ) Can the leccy nonsense be ripped off the monty engine and some snorting carbs applied? is that poss, carefully removing wires. actually sounds like a headache. I dunno! ;D |
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts |
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(showing my knowledge lack of here ) Can the leccy nonsense be ripped off the monty engine and some snorting carbs applied? is that poss, carefully removing wires. actually sounds like a headache. I dunno! ;D Yeah that's possible, but the sump on those engines make any serious lowering impossible I've got to do some measuring up, but those VW/Audi lumps look fairly compact, and pretty powerful in some of them! It'd just give me great pleasure to rip that engine out and put something better in, I think it would be a car I would actually like then! ;D |
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Don't think its a complete vw gearbox only the internal parts - bellhousing is different configeration . Just throw rover 827 engine and box in.
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Heres an idea,the monty and maestro are currently being made by a tobacco company in china with Toyota engines.See were this is going,i'm not well versed in toyota engines other than they are very strong.But someone would be able to suggest a nice motor.Did'nt they make a supercharged Mr2 for the JDM?
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I could be COMPLETELY wrong (I often am) but I don't think an audi 5 will mate to a golf box, as they are mounted front to back in the audi and the golf is transverse....
These should fit though
1.8 8v,16v
2.0 8v, 16v
I'd have thought that one of these would too:
1.8 20v Turbo
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The 1.6 Montys have a VW gearbox and the 2.0's have a Honda effort.
I think a golf engine and box could be made to work but, because yours is a 2.0 the shafts and linkage would need changing anyway to mate to the VW parts.
Basically there are no VW parts on a 2.0 monty, so you'd be starting from scratch.
Also, I think a golf gearbox would go on one of the 2.2 audi engines but because they are a five-pot I am 100% certain there would not be enough room in the engine bay to accomodate one transversely.
What is happening with the original engine? The injected 2.0 O-series is a surprisingly nice unit if you could get yours to run. Torquey, smooth (as long as you don't cane it too much) and economical. What is it doing and not doing, and what investigations have you done?
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Thanks for the input so far guys! It's not as straightforward as I hoped it might be then it seems... although not impossible, which is good! Might not be worth the effort, as Mr B says I will have to change the box and shafts anyway, and get a linkeage.... What is happening with the original engine? The injected 2.0 O-series is a surprisingly nice unit if you could get yours to run. Torquey, smooth (as long as you don't cane it too much) and economical. What is it doing and not doing, and what investigations have you done? The O series that's in it has been giving me grief from day one tbh. It developed an intermitent overfueling issue, which then became a permenant one. Everything was changed, sensors, injectors, fuel pump, ECU.... everything I could think of! The only thing I didn't change which could be at fault was the fuel metering unit, but I couldn't find a replacement one at the time. I was at the end of my tether with it by this point and the fella I baught it from who was helping me with it at the time decided it must be the loom at fault, so he unplugged the whole engine bay loom and took it away to 'test'. I got the loom back months later, he said it was fine. I re-fitted it and now when I turn the key it does nothing at all. It doesn't seem to have any power to the starter motor, but i've changed the starter motor twice, put jump leads to the + terminal on the starter, earthed the starter to the body with jump leads, all to no avail. The starter has 3 terminals on it: The +, the - and a mystery wire that no one seems to know what it's for. I suspect that's at fault, but putting a live to it makes no difference, and the same with earthing it. So in short, i've got to solve the rediculous starting issue and then see if the thing is still overfuelling and solve that! Everyone who's had a look at it has walked away scratching their head with both faults. The trouble is, I won't get much breaking it, it's a lovely clean car so it would be a shame anyway. I can't sell it as a non-runner, and it's really bothering me that it's sat in the garage doing nothing. A major engine swap seemed like a good solution as it would involve ripping every trace of the cursed engine and loom out of it.... but that might be one of those 'using a sledgehammer to crack a nut' type solutions in hindsight |
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Might be daft but did you earth the engine to the body,had it once on my Viva 1256.
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Is it a pre-engaged starter with the solenoid piggy-backed onto it? If so the three terminals will be:
one from the solenoid to the motor itself.
one permanent big fat live straight to the battery.
one little wire connected to the ignition switch, when this one powers up it operates the solenoid and thus starts the motor turning.
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon
1975 Mazda 929 Coupé
1986 Mazda 929 Wagon
1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop
1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica
1977 Toyota Carina TA14
1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon
1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr
1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL
1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo
1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr
2000 Rover 45 V6 Club
1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel
1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon
1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler
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) Can the leccy nonsense be ripped off the monty engine and some snorting carbs applied? is that poss, carefully removing wires. actually sounds like a headache. 
