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I have a overfull orderbook & lead times for clients restorations - I also have several projects of my own all in storage - so when the current situation that we all find ourselves in do I just carry on & kid myself that one day I will get around to any of the projects that I hold in storage or do I have a rethink - possibly a clear-out at some stage in the future - its something that I find that I'm asking myself more often - I'm not getting any younger and there's a few decades in me yet - I have an affection for cars of the Jowett marque but I also have a passion for a nice growly V8 too (something that Jowett never built) - I have a Rover P6 V8 - its a 23,000 miles - low ownership car from new + I have all the cars history - I've not run it for ages yet owned it for 20 years - its needs sorting ignition wise buts its had heap's of money thrown at it before today - to do it justice it really deserves a nice paint job - it scrubs up well but this is original factory paintwork attempting to stand up to its 47 year old life when in reality it had all on to retain a shine yet alone keep the rust at bay after 5 years of leaving the factory (car is rust free) - thing is can I find the time to do it any justice - funny sometimes how the price of something can effect your judgement - this ad sort of jumped out at me when I wasn't even looking for it www.graemehunt.com/inventory/434/1975-rover-3500Yep that's right £36k for a low mileage V8 P6 - Ok its with a London dealer known for being ambitious with the price tag - so maybe its just a one off ambitious sale www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1014902Hang on though - here's another at just £35k www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1011315Even the well sorted / well presented private ads are in at £20k range www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1176199So this one at £11k would appear to be possibly under priced or just a vendor that's being realistic None the less its all food for thought - what something is advertised at and maybe what the vendor achieves are different but I doubt that the dealers will move that far downwards in their price aspirations - Its rare that I put the value of what I own above the reasons for owning the vehicle in the first place but the P6 would appear to have made several steps up the ladder of values - it might have just moved up my list of project priorities too  |
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Ritchie
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I used to work on P6s all the time and really like them.
I think the values didn't reflect the quality of the cars for a long time, and it seems now that they are catching up.
However, I don't know if I would pay 20+k for one though!
To me they are one of the great usable classics which could be used daily very easily.
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I think one thing the beer bug has shown us is that you never know how long your going to be around so make time for your own stuff, could you not put your prices up, only work 3 or 4 days a week and use the other time to make a start on your own projects?
If the P6 only needs a re-spray that sounds like the ideal candidate to start on, get it done, enjoy it for a bit and see if someone offers you strong money for it!
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I flagged up that £35K P6 probably 2 years ago on here, beautiful but even with the 3.9 litre upgrade it's probably £10K overpriced as evidenced by the fact it's still there! We'll be in a global depression soon and it'll be worth £12K but probably still advertised at £35K!   I much prefer patina. I remember buying a sound running early P6 V8 in the mid 1980s for £70.00. This would probably have been a good buy; www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1106215 |
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Ritchie
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I remember buying a sound running early P6 V8 in the mid 1980s for £70.00. When I was involved with them around the early 90's you could pick up a minter for a 2/3k. My boss at the time had an Old English White 2200sc with black leather. That car won multiple awards in Scotland and was probably one of the best in the country at the time, it was rumored to have been built for a Rover MD and did appear to be more thoroughly screwed together than other I'd seen with the paint noticeably thicker / better quality. Unfortunately I can't remember the reg. |
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I remember buying a sound running early P6 V8 in the mid 1980s for £70.00. When I was involved with them around the early 90's you could pick up a minter for a 2/3k. My boss at the time had an Old English White 2200sc with black leather. That car won multiple awards in Scotland and was probably one of the best in the country at the time, it was rumored to have been built for a Rover MD and did appear to be more thoroughly screwed together than other I'd seen with the paint noticeably thicker / better quality. Unfortunately I can't remember the reg. My grandfather had a 2000TC for many years, 'XUH 444K', in Mexico brown with zebra pattern tailored seat covers which didn't look anywhere near as tacky as they sound. He gave it to my aunt who abused it for a few years and I bought it from her. It's the car I most associate with my grandfather, he was a police Chief Superintendent and always drove it like he was in pursuit! It dropped a valve and I scrapped the car in the late 80s, a decision I bitterly regret 30 years on. Seen here with my Stag and 3500.  Triumph Stag Mk 2 by Chris, on Flickr |
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My boss at the time had an Old English White 2200sc with black leather. That car won multiple awards in Scotland and was probably one of the best in the country at the time, it was rumored to have been built for a Rover MD and did appear to be more thoroughly screwed together than other I'd seen with the paint noticeably thicker / better quality. When the P6 was about to end its production run in 1976, having been phased out in favour of the SD1, they produced 77 x P6 VIP editions. These were sent out to each dealership for the manager and could not be bought by the public. The standard of fit & finish was superior to the cars that the public would have been able to buy. www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/rover-3500-p6-vip-1976/It doesn't sound as though the tale of a Rover Manager's car being built to better quality standards is at all far fetched.    |
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The issue for me with a lot of the examples shown, is that they are “over restored”. The bling, the finish which would never have been achieved during the factory build just doesn’t equate to the prices being asked.
I’d rather have a good, honest, usable example than an overpriced show queen.
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Ich habe kein Geld!
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The issue for me with a lot of the examples shown, is that they are “over restored”. The bling, the finish which would never have been achieved during the factory build just doesn’t equate to the prices being asked. I’d rather have a good, honest, usable example than an overpriced show queen. My brothers just shown me his mk5 Cortina he sold a couple of years ago as a nice daily driver for 2k, it's been nut and bolt restored, in a non standard colour, and is up for 9k, we both agreed we preffered it beforehand. |
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tofufi
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I bought this about 10 years back on these very pages...  It only comes out a few times a year, mostly because the starter motor has Lucas written on it. Every time I drive it I wonder why I don't drive it more frequently. It's a cracking thing to drive, except the fuel economy... 25-30mpg on a run, but single figures driven enthusiastically...  It looks nicer in the photos than real life, but is very usable |
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I think you won't be alone in re-evaluating your priorities now that corona has happened. I know that I am looking at the cars and motorbikes in my collection now and considering thinning things down.
I am also giving serious thought to my current home workshop and rented workshop arrangement, until now it really hadn't occurred to me that I might not be free to leave my house for work and projects, it certainly changes how you look at off-site storage!
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I would happily have a Rover P6, they seem like an entry level classic to me, prices are relatively cheap and it is an intriguing car, you can't mistake it for anything else either.
That said if it has taken 20yrs and you've done nothing with it then i would spruce it up and sell it on, provided the market is bouyant enough to get a reasonable return. It's sitting there doing nothing other than appreciating in value but you have to be around to make the most of that value.
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If you can afford it then perhaps jiggle the work diary so that every 3-7 car's you focus solely on one of yours. Do the rover, scratch the V8 itch (it's a good scratch!!) and if you like it, great. If not then sell it on in the knowledge that you're happy with the standard of the car. A friend of mine spent a lot of time, effort and money restoring a air cooled beetle, drove it off to the MOT station, hated it and advertised it as soon as he got home.
I suppose the point of the post is to remember to do things that you enjoy or think that you might, for yourself.
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I can't believe no-one has suggested putting a V8 in a Jowett yet. Slackers, the lot of ya!
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim
1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started.
1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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I bought a bay window be camper for £400 about 30 years ago, I welded it back together and motd it, then sold it It was a pain to work on, parts availability wasn’t great , everything had to come from Germany The local parts place was really enthusiastic about it, constantly asking me what I thought about it, and when I said I wasn’t very keen on it he told me I’d feel differently when I drove it He was right, I hated it! As yellowmexrep says, I moved it on The buyer didn’t like it either, but that’s another story! |
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I bought this about 10 years back on these very pages... I remember chatting to you about this not long after you'd gotten it - was at a really early RRG at Haynes. Bloody hell has it really been 10 years  |
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I can't believe no-one has suggested putting a V8 in a Jowett yet. Slackers, the lot of ya! To best of my knowledge its been done at least twice   The one above with a Dodge 5.7 litre and there is a Rover V8 in a Javelin somewhere out there - neither of them handle that well and both of them have changed hands a fair few times over the last 10 or so years - Jupiter's have also been converted to take a V8 and this doesn't work either - the most obvious conversion to undertake engine wise would be another boxer but a more powerful up to date unit - Subaru springs to mind - However where do you stop - uprate the engine and you most certainly will have to do the same thing with the rest of the drive train along with the brakes & suspension and pretty much all of it would have to be custom built - pretty pointless in my book - if I wanted a fast car with handling to match I'd just go and purchase one rather than mess about trying to build a motor that would always be a compromise |
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tofufi
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I bought this about 10 years back on these very pages... I remember chatting to you about this not long after you'd gotten it - was at a really early RRG at Haynes. Bloody hell has it really been 10 years Scary isn't it?  The last Haynes Gathering was 2010... |
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"However where do you stop - uprate the engine and you most certainly will have to do the same thing with the rest of the drive train along with the brakes & suspension and pretty much all of it would have to be custom built - pretty pointless in my book - if I wanted a fast car with handling to match I'd just go and purchase one rather than mess about trying to build a motor that would always be a compromise"
Wow, wrong forum perhaps?
This place is pretty much predicated upon and dedicated to exploring exactly what's just been described as pointless and a compromise. Is Blackpop's Anglia a compromise? How about Rob's Medusa? Or the worlds fastest legal Elan? Or the Blackbird powered kitten?
Personally I love the rich variety of "pretty pointless" projects people take the time to share on RR. 😉
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I can't believe no-one has suggested putting a V8 in a Jowett yet. Slackers, the lot of ya! To best of my knowledge its been done at least twice uprate the engine and you most certainly will have to do the same thing with the rest of the drive train along with the brakes & suspension and pretty much all of it would have to be custom built - pretty pointless in my book - if I wanted a fast car with handling to match I'd just go and purchase one rather than mess about trying to build a motor that would always be a compromise But. Its cool. |
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The last Haynes Gathering was 2010...