Jem45
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Feb 20, 2020 21:40:32 GMT
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Carbs 'n chrome
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Feb 22, 2020 20:36:58 GMT
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This should have crossed my mind as a quick-ish workhorse, Ford Scorpio Ultima: You don't see many estates coming up for sale and probably only 1 in 3 is the 2.9 litre. That's the one you want, 2.9 litre 24 valve Cosworth. SPECS
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Feb 22, 2020 20:39:37 GMT
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Hi there is his still available thanks my number is 07549333373 I'm based in Scotland uk thank you again.. Tom
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Kron
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Feb 22, 2020 21:01:59 GMT
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tam2504 Tom, you should probably remove your number as the forum is open to public access; you would be better to DM whichever member your asking the question of. I don't think any of the posters here are directly responsible for the cars or the adverts being suggested.
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Last Edit: Feb 22, 2020 21:04:15 GMT by Kron
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scimjim
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This should have crossed my mind as a quick-ish workhorse, Ford Scorpio Ultima: You don't see many estates coming up for sale and probably only 1 in 3 is the 2.9 litre. That's the one you want, 2.9 litre 24 valve Cosworth. SPECSI don’t think the 24v was available with a manual box?
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stealthstylz
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Nobody ever seems to mention what imo is the most un-noticed fast car ever - Citroen Xsara 2.0 VTS. I had a go in one at work a few weeks ago, first time I've driven one for years, and I'd forgotten how good they are. Literally like the tyres are glued to the road in corners to the point the owner was white as a sheet and hanging on for dear life in the passenger seat (after he'd told me to give it some stick).
I wouldn't touch anything with a TSI/FSI/TFSI engine with a great big curse word stick. Dreadful engines.
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Jem45
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Feb 23, 2020 12:39:14 GMT
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Nobody ever seems to mention what imo is the most un-noticed fast car ever - Citroen Xsara 2.0 VTS. I had a go in one at work a few weeks ago, first time I've driven one for years, and I'd forgotten how good they are. Literally like the tyres are glued to the road in corners to the point the owner was white as a sheet and hanging on for dear life in the passenger seat (after he'd told me to give it some stick). I wouldn't touch anything with a TSI/FSI/TFSI engine with a great big curse word stick. Dreadful engines. Did they put the VTS engine in an estate Matt?
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Carbs 'n chrome
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stealthstylz
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Feb 23, 2020 12:44:08 GMT
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No idea. I bet they'd be very rare if they did.
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Jem45
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Feb 23, 2020 15:38:39 GMT
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Last Edit: Feb 23, 2020 15:40:10 GMT by Jem45
Carbs 'n chrome
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ZXRob
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Feb 23, 2020 16:52:19 GMT
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Nobody ever seems to mention what imo is the most un-noticed fast car ever - Citroen Xsara 2.0 VTS. I had a go in one at work a few weeks ago, first time I've driven one for years, and I'd forgotten how good they are. Literally like the tyres are glued to the road in corners to the point the owner was white as a sheet and hanging on for dear life in the passenger seat (after he'd told me to give it some stick). I wouldn't touch anything with a TSI/FSI/TFSI engine with a great big curse word stick. Dreadful engines. This man speaks the truth! Xsara VTS are mega and I can't believe they aren't more popular. And TSI/FSI/TFSI are the most overrated tat going. Literally everything about them is terrible!
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Feb 23, 2020 19:22:31 GMT
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Nobody ever seems to mention what imo is the most un-noticed fast car ever - Citroen Xsara 2.0 VTS. I had a go in one at work a few weeks ago, first time I've driven one for years, and I'd forgotten how good they are. Literally like the tyres are glued to the road in corners to the point the owner was white as a sheet and hanging on for dear life in the passenger seat (after he'd told me to give it some stick). I wouldn't touch anything with a TSI/FSI/TFSI engine with a great big curse word stick. Dreadful engines. This man speaks the truth! Xsara VTS are mega and I can't believe they aren't more popular. And TSI/FSI/TFSI are the most overrated tat going. Literally everything about them is terrible! Overrated is right! I wouldn't touch one. Then again I think all modern VAG stuff is overrated, most will be recycled by the time they're ten years old.
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Still learning...still spending...still breaking things!
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mk2cossie
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Feb 23, 2020 19:41:56 GMT
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This should have crossed my mind as a quick-ish workhorse, Ford Scorpio Ultima: You don't see many estates coming up for sale and probably only 1 in 3 is the 2.9 litre. That's the one you want, 2.9 litre 24 valve Cosworth. SPECSWrong engine for that shape (BOB not BOA in them) and no manual option from the factory. Also have fuse box issues, and the engine loom is made of biodegradable wire insulation
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Jem45
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Feb 23, 2020 20:07:08 GMT
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Carbs 'n chrome
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stealthstylz
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Feb 23, 2020 20:17:24 GMT
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That must be hilarious to overtake people in. Just needs a tartan blanket on the back seat, walking cane hooked over the rear headrests and a RNLI/RSPB sticker.
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Feb 23, 2020 20:28:01 GMT
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ChasR
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No one has mentioned the E39 BMW to my surprise... I've been mulling a 530i manual estate which is up for £1400. 230hp and falls below the 2006 tax hike Beware of crusty jacking points and more I think any without a shed load of rust are over £3000 now. Same as E36’s. This. I doubt the modern classic tag with these has helped but the truth is these cars like most 00s are now falling into two very distinctive camps: -Ones which have alot of cash spent on them ; they'll still need some and probably always will (they're an old car after all) but keep on top of them and they are a nice old thing -Ones which have been run on a shoestring. Why service a £1k car when you can simply throw it away at the end of the year. The engines and gearboxes make great donors too -Rust ; Man, 00s BMWs love to rust! E46s have now also slipped into this camp. Sure, the 4 pots are cheap to but, but a 330i? My friend struggled to get a clean rot-free one. The £2k cars were junk despite guys telling us they were mint. The 2006 price hike may soon be a price worth paying. Euro 3 cars will no longer be allowed into a number of cities where Euro 4 cars may be. This is one big driver for me still having the Mondeo; I doubt there are many cars as fun or as practical for £1k that can get you to Brum or other Euro 3 banning cities for free. Petrol cars made between 2006 and 2016 are now very few and far between and IMHO the earlier ones may just be worth buying. Yup, The M3 is officially evicted from most cities at this rate being a Euro 3 car.
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b3nson
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Feb 25, 2020 12:44:31 GMT
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No one has mentioned the E39 BMW to my surprise... I've been mulling a 530i manual estate which is up for £1400. 230hp and falls below the 2006 tax hike I think any without a shed load of rust are over £3000 now. Same as E36’s. This. I doubt the modern classic tag with these has helped but the truth is these cars like most 00s are now falling into two very distinctive camps: -Ones which have alot of cash spent on them ; they'll still need some and probably always will (they're an old car after all) but keep on top of them and they are a nice old thing -Ones which have been run on a shoestring. Why service a £1k car when you can simply throw it away at the end of the year. The engines and gearboxes make great donors too -Rust ; Man, 00s BMWs love to rust! E46s have now also slipped into this camp. Sure, the 4 pots are cheap to but, but a 330i? My friend struggled to get a clean rot-free one. The £2k cars were junk despite guys telling us they were mint. The 2006 price hike may soon be a price worth paying. Euro 3 cars will no longer be allowed into a number of cities where Euro 4 cars may be. This is one big driver for me still having the Mondeo; I doubt there are many cars as fun or as practical for £1k that can get you to Brum or other Euro 3 banning cities for free. Petrol cars made between 2006 and 2016 are now very few and far between and IMHO the earlier ones may just be worth buying. Yup, The M3 is officially evicted from most cities at this rate being a Euro 3 car. I personally think anything early to mid 2000’s in now the golden era for cheap, fast fun. Anything before that either is knackered or has classic/retro tax added onto any reasonable prices. Bought a Mini Cooper S for £2000, with heated seats, pan roof, good history. Fun, fast-ish (170bhp and plenty of scope for tuning) and can genuinely be driven every day without fear of it destroying itself.
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ChasR
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Feb 25, 2020 17:59:49 GMT
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This. I doubt the modern classic tag with these has helped but the truth is these cars like most 00s are now falling into two very distinctive camps: -Ones which have alot of cash spent on them ; they'll still need some and probably always will (they're an old car after all) but keep on top of them and they are a nice old thing -Ones which have been run on a shoestring. Why service a £1k car when you can simply throw it away at the end of the year. The engines and gearboxes make great donors too -Rust ; Man, 00s BMWs love to rust! E46s have now also slipped into this camp. Sure, the 4 pots are cheap to but, but a 330i? My friend struggled to get a clean rot-free one. The £2k cars were junk despite guys telling us they were mint. The 2006 price hike may soon be a price worth paying. Euro 3 cars will no longer be allowed into a number of cities where Euro 4 cars may be. This is one big driver for me still having the Mondeo; I doubt there are many cars as fun or as practical for £1k that can get you to Brum or other Euro 3 banning cities for free. Petrol cars made between 2006 and 2016 are now very few and far between and IMHO the earlier ones may just be worth buying. Yup, The M3 is officially evicted from most cities at this rate being a Euro 3 car. I personally think anything early to mid 2000’s in now the golden era for cheap, fast fun. Anything before that either is knackered or has classic/retro tax added onto any reasonable prices. Bought a Mini Cooper S for £2000, with heated seats, pan roof, good history. Fun, fast-ish (170bhp and plenty of scope for tuning) and can genuinely be driven every day without fear of it destroying itself. I said a very similar thing to RetroWarwick here over a few beers in Spa a couple of years ago. In a nutshell, 00s are probably where the cars peaked. The engineers still had an interest and a drive in what they did, and regulations in some respects worked to the manufacturers favour. So big turbo powered cars came about, having N/A engines crack 100BHP/litre wasn't as uncommon as it used to be, and the engines still were bulletproof for the best part. The styling for the best part was decent too depending on how you see that ; a little more timeless. Gone were the limitations of being able actually reliably make something in the 70s, the lack of R&D or understanding in the 80s (turbo power being one example there), down to the recession of the early '90s ; most manufactueres then either practicsed the the art of evolution, like Jaguar and Porsche did, or simply went new and made the cars cheaper ; the Fiesta Mk3 and the Escort MkV being an example of that. They may have then had the know-how on how to get the best driver's car, as was proven with the McLaren F1, but almost everyone was in a straight jacket regarding budgets or the lack of any real money to make a car. It was only towards the end of the 90s (bar some Japanese cars who seemed to escape the recession, bringing out great cars like the Lancer and the MX-5) that cars actually got back some of the verve of the 80s but with a more simple, sutble and understood approach. You can pick loads of decent cars from the 00s to buy that are fantastic from a dynamic (driving) point of view Either side of that, things aren't quite the same. Make no mistake, I loved my 944 Turbo and my Stag, but both are flawed comapred to the M3, and something like a Merc drop top/MX-5 of the 00s. Styling was definitely better before the 90s unquestionably . There is not much modern stuff I do like. I wouldn't mind a new Defender or an Alpine A110, but they are simply too expensive for what something of the yesterday can do almost, albeit with some hassle .
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Feb 27, 2020 13:18:31 GMT
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I said a very similar thing to RetroWarwick here over a few beers in Spa a couple of years ago. Ah, but did he agree with you? Apart from my Isuzu in Malaysia, the most modern car I had previously was a 2.5 Subaru Legacy Estate, like this... I'd have another in a heartbeat. Four wheel drive (handy over the Staffordshire Moors) quick (very), reliable and even, if you were gentle, relatively frugal. Not sure if 2001 would get you one though. Only owned it for three months before I was offered a job in Singapore. Sadly, exporting wasn't an option. I'm guessing that they'd happily come in budget. Put it this way, I nipped out the house on a Saturday morning to buy a paper and 5lbs spuds, as instructed, and came back with all the above.
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ChasR
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Feb 27, 2020 17:44:10 GMT
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I said a very similar thing to RetroWarwick here over a few beers in Spa a couple of years ago. Ah, but did he agree with you? Given he owns a 996 now, I'm going to say yes .
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