Paul Y
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Feb 12, 2020 13:31:11 GMT
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I have been a good boy and been saving my pennies to buy a lathe. Problem is I don't really know what I need to check to make sure that what I am buying is actually worth the cash... Is there anybody who would be willing to share their knowledge so I don't buy a pup and offer advice? I am looking at a Myford or Colchester and can afford around £500 ish. Am I being naive in my target price? P.
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Feb 12, 2020 14:42:45 GMT
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I would say bigger the better I picked up a Myford for £250 about five years ago but some times I need a bigger throat for skimming drums /flywheels etc Look at this site LATHES.CO.UK
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slater
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Feb 12, 2020 17:08:13 GMT
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You might be being a bit ambitious at 500quid but it can be done. One thing that always adds alot to the cost is moving the thing if you don't already have a vehicle /trailer that can do it and potentially somthing to lift it. Thats where the myford comes in handy I guess as you could manhandle one of those about. Any colchester is going to need forklifting or lifting in most cases.
You will find Colchesters command a bit of a premium. You might find it easier to find a cheap Harrison or Boxford. I bought a small Harrison lathe not long ago for about 400quid. Needed some tlc but worked fine.
As for checking what your buying the main consideration is probably that all the fees and speeds all work. It's not usually possible to check 100% unless the machine has power tho. I've had a few machines with missing gear teeth and things like that. Wear in the slideways can be an issue too but it hard to know what your checking for if you don't know what your checking for. Then again if you are just using it for odds and soda it's unlikely it will be bad enough to give you trouble.
Another big issue is tooling. Lathe is no good if there's no tooling and often the tooling is worth more than the machine so it's common to see machines forsale with nothing at all. China has reduced the cost of some tooling and bargains can be had but the quality still isnt as good as original kit in alot of cases.
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slater
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Feb 12, 2020 17:09:06 GMT
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Oh and don't forget the whole three phase vs single phase thing. You don't mention but if you only have single phase it gets more expensive..
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Feb 12, 2020 18:45:24 GMT
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I have owned a Myford for many years. It is very versatile and small enough to man handle. I have a selection of gears and can cut many thread pitches. The main shaft bearings are worn but the stuff I make it's not a problem as I work around it. Spares are readily available as well as many accessories, it's well made and tough. Personally I would buy another and not a Chinese one, they are a quality item. Try and find one from a retiring toolmaker, and it will probably come with cutting tools and spares. You should be able to find a good one for well under a £1k.Good luck in your search.
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Wilk
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Feb 12, 2020 20:46:13 GMT
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Check for wear on the slides. If they go badly tight/loose as you traverse then there’s obvious wear Removable bed insert is useful near the Chuck if it’s a small diameter lathe Larger the spindle bore the better. I have a Harrison L5 9” swing but it’s downfall is the bore is only 7/8” so unable to pass inch bar through the headstock Powered travel is very desirable as it allows screwcutting. Imperial machines can cut metric threads but you’ll need a 127 tooth gear and not be able to disengage the counter. Reversing the machine is the getout
You might get lucky and find a metric Harrison 11 or L5A with Norton gearbox for around £5-600
Keep an eye or place a wanted add on Homeworkshop.org 👍
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If it can be fixed with a hammer, then it must be an electrical fault
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Paul Y
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Feb 12, 2020 21:10:04 GMT
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Thanks all! I am in the lucky position of having 3phase to my garage - currently not used - so have been looking at all options. Have access to a large van and an engine crane so moving it should not be a problem. Good point on the tooling, currently looking on homeworkshup and lathes.co.uk Will keep you updated. P.
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Last Edit: Feb 12, 2020 21:22:48 GMT by Paul Y
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Feb 16, 2020 22:23:58 GMT
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I'm clearing out my garage to make space and am culling little used kit, including a Raglan Little John lathe with a fair amount of tooling. It's quite an interesting piece of kit as it has a CVT pulley drive like a DAF. It's under your budget so pm me if you want more details. Cheers John
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moglite
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Feb 17, 2020 10:21:42 GMT
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I found out with an old Colchester years ago..... In order to get a project lathe up and running, you invariably need access to a working lathe.
I've now got a Chinese 7x14 mini-lathe, not totally convinced....
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Wilk
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Feb 17, 2020 21:04:34 GMT
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Also check out Facebook marketplace. There’s been several on my feed over the past week with a couple in your budget 🎉
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If it can be fixed with a hammer, then it must be an electrical fault
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Feb 18, 2020 18:37:06 GMT
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Wilk
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Feb 18, 2020 22:13:06 GMT
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Not a bad price but there’s no powered feed so not possible to screwcut
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If it can be fixed with a hammer, then it must be an electrical fault
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Feb 18, 2020 23:02:32 GMT
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Dependant upon where you are in the country you could try here: www.warco.co.uk/Now its not top end of the market but it is good / solid machinery - they have a open day once a year and its pretty soon 14/3/20 where they sell off all the part ex / used machines plus some very good deals on the new stuff too - a fellow Jowett owner fitted his workshop out with a decent used lathe plus a milling machine both of a decent size plus some decent tooling thrown into the deal and for a very fair price but I think you are being a little optimistic with your current budget
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Up the budget and get a myford super 7!
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Pity. Had I known a couple of months back I could have got you a Colchester Master,with a DRO for £500. Tailstock needed attention,and a bit noisy,but still a lot of life left in it. 😕 You might be a bit optimistic price wise. You should be able to find something halfway decent at around £7-800, but having said that there was a tidy Harrison for £400 a couple of weeks back. I would say leave the myford alone,it’s a toy when it comes to automotive kinda stuff. Too small. You will lose the will to live when taking little princess cuts.....The magic soon wears off. Myford and Boxford also seem to attract a bit of a scene tax.
I would say look for a Colchester bantam or Student, even a small Harrison. Try all the gears. Quite often they have lived in the same gear all their life,and can be noisy. Face ache Market place is a good place to look.
Have had the opportunity to use a Warco. Not bad for the money,but fairly noisy gear train. Cheap Chinese,badge engineering at its best.
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v8ian
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I have had several lathes over the years, some really old flat bed, flat belt drive ones, 3 Colchesters, 2 Students, (roundhead and squarehead) and currently own a Bantam, what size jobs are you contemplating? you might need a lathe with a removable Gap, Get a lathe with a V bed rather than a flat bed, , as said, Power feed, Big or little lathe? bigger lathes tend to have lower top speeds , which will make getting a a good finish on small jobs harder, but not impossible.....you can always put a small job in a big lathe, but you cant put a big job in a small lathe, the distance between centres will dictate the length of job you can chuck up, as will the headstock spindle bore. My choice for a home lathe, probably just because they are a bit Quirky, and they have a big footprint for a smallish lathe would be a Colchester Chipmaster, with a variable speed drive which can be changed when the lathe is being used, great bit of kit, BUT a pain to fix if the variable drive is faulty.
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slater
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Trouble with a chipmaster is they take up alot of space for such a small capacity machine.
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Useful thread I've been offered a Myford Super 7, ex a model engineer. It'd probably be a sensible price and include a bit of tooling and stock bar etc. Can anyone tell from a photo whether it has a powered feed for screwcutting (and whether it's single or 3 phase?)? I'll post a picture later - is it a good starter machine?
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v8ian
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Feb 21, 2020 10:30:08 GMT
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Useful thread I've been offered a Myford Super 7, ex a model engineer. It'd probably be a sensible price and include a bit of tooling and stock bar etc. Can anyone tell from a photo whether it has a powered feed for screwcutting (and whether it's single or 3 phase?)? I'll post a picture later - is it a good starter machine? Myfords are a good lathe, many engineering workshops keep one in the corner, the beds do wear, but as a starter machine they are a good choice, unlikely to be 3 phase, and IIRC the super 7 is a screw cutter, the other thing about the myford is the tooling and adaptions are limitless from milling attachments to gear hobbing and beyond
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Last Edit: Feb 21, 2020 10:30:59 GMT by v8ian
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v8ian
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Feb 21, 2020 10:33:01 GMT
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Trouble with a chipmaster is they take up alot of space for such a small capacity machine. I couldent agree more, quite bulky, but rock solid, I think the bed and saddle are the same as my bantam too.
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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