Paul Y
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Options are funny. Slightly off topic from the original question but my parents recently bought a new fiesta to replace their 10 year old one. 4 door ST line, really nice car, all singing, all dancing pretty much every option known to man as standard. But it has wind up rear windows... trying to get one with electric rear windows would mean a 3-4 month wait as it was factory order. They even went so far as saying any 4 door fiesta in the uk with electric rear windows. Nothing.. Strange world. P.
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I beleive the Lada Riva pick up is pretty basic... And less than £6,000 new. Of course you can't buy them here, which is a shame because I'd be interested in having one. I think the problem is that poverty spec is not an option that most people want. They want power everything, heated seats, air conditioning, stereo, rifinement, safety, everything. So a stripped out poverty spec car would probably have to be some sort of special order, and that would probably cost you more. I must admit I've looked at the Dacia Duster myself, drawn in by the £11,000 price tag for the basic spec one, but then I go further into it and think, that actually I don't want front wheel drive, if I'm going to have something that looks like a 4x4 then it should be a 4x4, so I add four wheel drive, and because I've added this, the engine choice changes, and do I really just want white? Nope, I want blue, so thats another £500 or so, and so it goes on until I'm finished and I'm up at £18,000!! So did I really want a poverty spec car in the first place? Obviously not, but thats what I thought I wanted when I was first thinking about it. I looked at some of the recent imports into the UK not so long ago. The stock engine it comes with is so woefully bad, it's in the £500+ a year to tax bracket. From a 1300cc.
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Not really. Most will have a fleet spec as the base model - cheap and cheerful with enough toys to get it a decent crash rating / on the fleet consideration list.
For example, in the US the base spec Chevrolet Equinox is only available in two colours - white and silver. IIRC you have to go up another 2 trim levels to get more colour choice.
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I like having heated and electric everything in my daily driver. There, I said it. Not so fussed in a retro, saying that though my 500 SEC was pretty much fully loaded from 1988. And my 230E had a decent amount of boxes ticked from new in '84, too. Both my W124s were well equipped as well. The air-cooled dubs, MK2 Essy, Chevette and Mantas were all pov spec. The Mondeo ST I just sold was loaded too, and now I miss it very much because I'm driving my wife's Citroen C4. It's got gubbins but not nearly as many as the Mondeo, I miss the heated seats, heated screen, the touchscreen, and the Citroen is slow, but that's another matter.
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ovimor
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Interesting contrast (re: everyone wants power wizzo). I bought brand new, 2007, a Proton Savvy @£7k >> plastic wheelbarrow interior + 1.2 Clio engine. Keepfit windows + radio + remote lock. .... sold it and bought a '91 Toyota Carina II 1.6 @£350 >> power sunroof/mirrors/windows. Carb [no cat], key only c/l [no plip]. I like the 'press n play' effortlessness *like cool motors, too! OVIMOR
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Last Edit: Nov 5, 2019 10:57:53 GMT by ovimor
Knowledge is to know a Tomato is a 'fruit' - Wisdom, on the other hand, is knowing not to put it in a 'fruit salad'!
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jamesd1972
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Regulations mean you have to have ABS and ESR (or whatever stability programs are called). No cars come with 145 section tyres so they all need power steering. In a modern car with complicated wiring to cope with all the engine emission stuff it probably costs more to offer a car with less options than it does to just make them standard. Drive by wire = a few quid to have cruise Touch screen info = a few quid for a reversing camera. With the relative low cost of electronics then electric toys add so little to the cost (hundreds not thousands) that they are a no brainer for a new car purchaser. Climate vs aircon is the switch over from povo spec to vaguely decent I think now as this takes a bit of money to sort. My understanding is that is actually pretty hard to get a poverty spec Dacia - that one model up is the one they will sell you. My minimum spec now if looking would be reversing camera and climate control. Not at all hard to find. James
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I’d like a big saloon with straight 6 /V6 /V8 with abs and central locking, cloth seats oh and wide steels with a good old plain centre hub cap in a base colour maybe with the wheels painted same, that’d do👍🏻
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Turns out I’m in the wrong country !
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jamesd1972
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I’d like a big saloon with straight 6 /V6 /V8 with abs and central locking, cloth seats oh and wide steels with a good old plain centre hub cap in a base colour maybe with the wheels painted same, that’d do👍🏻 Yep or even better move to the USA ! Other than the steels that describes most of the mid size hire cars you get ! James
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ovimor
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.... With the Proton Savvy "pov spec" likely a carry over from this.... OVIMOR
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Last Edit: Nov 5, 2019 14:01:43 GMT by ovimor
Knowledge is to know a Tomato is a 'fruit' - Wisdom, on the other hand, is knowing not to put it in a 'fruit salad'!
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I’d like a big saloon with straight 6 /V6 /V8 with abs and central locking, cloth seats oh and wide steels with a good old plain centre hub cap in a base colour maybe with the wheels painted same, that’d do👍🏻 Yep or even better move to the USA ! Other than the steels that describes most of the mid size hire cars you get ! James If only they put the steering wheel on the correct side 🙂
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Only heated must-have in mine is hfs, love it so much i retrofitted one to my rrc. Heated front seats just make me feel like I've wet myself!
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I don't think I could go back to dailying something without a/c, not because of the heat, but clearing fogged up windows at 06:30 is no fun.
As mentioned before, it probably cheaper for manufacturers to no make a basic model. If the best seller is the mid spec then the cheapest to manufacture car will be a mid spec, which renders the pov spec redundant.
My Golf Plus, is a S, so it's the lowest spec you could get.
It came with: Aircon 4 x Electric windows Electric heated mirrors Power steering A/C CD Player (front speakers only) Remote central locking 15" Steelies
The SE and everything above had front and rear speakers, better seats with pull down tables, different headliner with more storage, dual level boot, alarm, 16" Steels/Alloys - then the spec goes up from there.
The only thing I wish it had was a better stereo as the front only speaker set up sucks.
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Last Edit: Nov 6, 2019 9:30:51 GMT by joem83
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I love my pov spec mk3 Astra, 2 mins to do an alternator belt, no PAS, no air con, no central locking, and as standard no rev counter. Easy peasy motoring.
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Is the windmill powered sierra one of those zero-emmission jobbies? 😁
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id forgotten just how basic the early base model sierras were!
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating '80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip '97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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ChasR
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Not really. Most will have a fleet spec as the base model - cheap and cheerful with enough toys to get it a decent crash rating / on the fleet consideration list. For example, in the US the base spec Chevrolet Equinox is only available in two colours - white and silver. IIRC you have to go up another 2 trim levels to get more colour choice. They'll generally put more options into the car, which these days is easier. As an example, Ford fitted the later Mk3 Mondeos all with the same Climate control panel (although it was programmed as an option) as opposed to different ones along with putting cruise control in; instead of accounting for two steering wheels, they could only account for one, and that's down to the airbag, clock spring, modules.... You get the idea. One OEM I know of recently had a stupid amount of choice on things like steering wheel colours and and body colours. When my parents purchased one from said OEM recently, they combined alot of the options into the price (so it came with LEDs despite us not asking for them), and really limited us to what colours we could choose. From a Logistics point of view, that makes thing much much cheaper, even if the up specced parts cost me, and most people will be happier with that. I do happen to know how much the complexity was costing them, and it was alot, and it does push Just-In-Time practices to the limit. This is probably why the Japanese always sold better specced cars; they're generally considered the masters of Logistics/costs in the automotive world as far as I can tell.
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The American and Canadians still do. When I've ticked the cheap option for hire cars over there I've sometimes had brand new povvo spec cars... I call it american spec: electric front windows, cloth heated front seats, cruise control, fm and aux radio and a hideous CVT or slushmatic mated to a hideously inefficient 2.0/2.2/2.5 'eco' engine.
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Perhaps it’s my age but i prefer wind up windows..... POV spec I love seeing a beige escort or fiesta from the 80s with no extras at all It’s funny how mobile phones are illegal But sat Navs taking up most of the dashboard are fine, I just can’t be doing with modern cars
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Last Edit: Nov 6, 2019 5:05:07 GMT by Mercdan68
Fraud owners club member 1999 Jaguar s type 1993 ford escort
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