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Sept 20, 2019 3:33:28 GMT
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Good Morning Retro Riders, A question for all you old school 'dub aficionados about gear levers and the like, firstly are there any gear linkage rebuild kits that are properly recommended and stood the test of time for hard shifting and what common issues are there in the beetle shift linkage? (between the gear lever and the gear box) I've seen a few individual parts on the VWHeritage website but had hoped to find a complete rebuild kit with uprated bushings/linkage/ does anyone have a diagram of 1303 gear linkage so I know what I'm dealing with please Seccondly, I've been looking into short 'shifters' to help with an improved snappy and precise gear change and have come to 3 which I quite like the look of, and hope to get a bit of opinion from anyone who has any views on them: 'Mr T' - SCAT Drag-Fast T handle - Looks like a popular, easy to use quick shifter from a well known Bug tuning company and the cheapest of the 3 'The Custom' - BugTech Race Shifter -Simple to install and easy to access to maintain, also customization available through different coloured extensions and springs, exposed workings are always cool! Mid price range. 'Nu Skool' - CAE Ultra Kafer short shifter - Hands down the sexiest of the lot, exposed sides and workings too, less customization available but just look at it! know a few people with CAE shifters and have been told they are the best people have driven but has anyone got experience of one in a bug? Also the most expensive. Many thanks and look forward to learning more
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Sept 20, 2019 7:38:28 GMT
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Its been a long time since ive owned anything air cooled, but i always likes scat shifters so used those. This was around 20 years ago though. I seem to remember their reputation went a little downhill as i think quality dropped, but my old ones were precise and nice to use. Very short throw.
Other than the shifters, there is a bush which joins the rod to the gearbox that is best being replaced and a bush inside the tunnel which is awkward to get at and fit so often gets ignored, that often fails, wears, falls out etc.
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Sept 20, 2019 7:42:35 GMT
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The other two shifters didnt exist when i had mine. I like the bugtech one, expensive though. I'm not keen on the third option personally.
As i say, worth checking out opinions of the scats these days, i seem to remember a few folk not liking them but the old ones being considered better. I may be wrong though, hazy memories.
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zeberdee
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Sept 20, 2019 7:56:26 GMT
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I have a Bug Tech Shifter . Think it’s a really good , tight shift . Sounds obvious , but the adjustable ball at the bottom has to be in the right place , only took 2 goes to get it right . My bushes had been replaced before I got the car , so can’t comment on them .
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Sept 20, 2019 8:02:09 GMT
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Cheers for the replies chaps! I wasn't sure how many mountings/bushings/linkages there was so glad to hear its usual VW simplicity! I've got a SCAT in the budget at the moment as they're a very good price at the moment so might try it and see how it goes, the thing I like about the bug tech ones are the simplicity of being able to see if anything is catching or wrong with the mechanism. How does the bottom connector attach to the Bug tech one out of interest, never seen the underside of one!
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zeberdee
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Sept 20, 2019 8:39:35 GMT
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The ball on the Shifter sits in the linkage cup .
Same as the original , pretty sure most are like that ??
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zeberdee
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Sept 20, 2019 8:42:11 GMT
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luckyseven
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Sept 20, 2019 10:43:29 GMT
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I'd say you definitely need to replace the bushes in the linkage otherwise any kind of shortshifter will just make the gearchange tighter, less co-operative and just as likely to miss gears... especially with reverse. Or worse, getting reverse instead of second!
The rear bush in a cage that connects the shift rod to the gearbox linkage is easy enough (although lockwire capability is advisable). Just lift the rear seat squab and one screw removes the access plate. It's advisable to get the EMPI (or whoever) polybush but re-use the original VW Steel cage because aftermarket ones are made from pure Chineseum monkey metal and may as well be stamped out of bacofoil
The front bush in the tunnel (just behind the gear shifter aperture) is a proper PITA and means you really have to undo the linkage rod and slide it out of the front valance, replace the bush and then slide the linkage back through without knackering or pushing the bush straight back out again. All blind and working through a hole the size of .... well, it's not a very big hole
I have a Scat Dragfast and it made the gearchange a lot nicer and more predictable on my '71 but not in isolation, without the bushes it was just as horrible as stock, just with a shorter throw. Some people also might not like the spring-loaded self centring action, but a lot of shortshifters are like that, B&M etc
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Last Edit: Sept 20, 2019 10:44:23 GMT by luckyseven
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Sept 20, 2019 11:20:20 GMT
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Its probably the fact alot of people buy scats, and not many people change the tunnel bush, that sometimes gives them a bad rep.
I forgot the rod has to come out to fit the bush! I had welded over the hole in the front valance so couldnt do mine until i smashed the front end up and had to replace it.
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Sept 20, 2019 14:41:38 GMT
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I was gonna suggest a Gene Berg shifter, as I've always liked them. Not sure the £295 upwards is in your budget.
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Sept 21, 2019 4:28:12 GMT
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Thank you for the replies again, useful description and images zeberdee, I've never changed a whole gearstick before so genuinly had no idea what was involved in replacing it! and your probably right there VW with people not changing the bushes,I imagine that's potentially an issue for almost all short shifters! tonycocacola A Gene Berg is another option, just one that I haven't looked into so much over a SCAT/Bug-Tech (the Bug-Tech and CAE are both beyond the £300 mark... the CAE quite considerably)
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Sept 21, 2019 4:39:49 GMT
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I'd say you definitely need to replace the bushes in the linkage otherwise any kind of shortshifter will just make the gearchange tighter, less co-operative and just as likely to miss gears... especially with reverse. Or worse, getting reverse instead of second! The rear bush in a cage that connects the shift rod to the gearbox linkage is easy enough (although lockwire capability is advisable). Just lift the rear seat squab and one screw removes the access plate. It's advisable to get the EMPI (or whoever) polybush but re-use the original VW Steel cage because aftermarket ones are made from pure Chineseum monkey metal and may as well be stamped out of bacofoil The front bush in the tunnel (just behind the gear shifter aperture) is a proper PITA and means you really have to undo the linkage rod and slide it out of the front valance, replace the bush and then slide the linkage back through without knackering or pushing the bush straight back out again. All blind and working through a hole the size of .... well, it's not a very big hole I have a Scat Dragfast and it made the gearchange a lot nicer and more predictable on my '71 but not in isolation, without the bushes it was just as horrible as stock, just with a shorter throw. Some people also might not like the spring-loaded self centring action, but a lot of shortshifters are like that, B&M etc Cheers for all this info, duly saved! thankfully I've got access to a couple of car ramps and a 2 poster for a bit before Christmas so I'm hoping that the major service I'm going to do on the bug when I get back to her in December is going to be made a hell of allot easier by simply lifting the whole car up and off the engine so I can get underneath to do all the gear linkage bushings and probably a new linkage rod just for peace of mind too. I'm going on the assumption that the linkage is visible from underneath though, and I'm also hoping your about to confirm my suspicions? ... Do it proper or don't do it at all comes to mind! I know what you mean about Cheap steel products, seen a few shovels on the railways I've been involved with last less than a week
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zeberdee
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Sept 21, 2019 6:49:10 GMT
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As above ,
The gear linkage is in the tunnel .
You can’t see any of it from underneath .
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Last Edit: Sept 21, 2019 6:50:17 GMT by zeberdee
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Sept 21, 2019 7:36:26 GMT
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Ah right, I'll make a note to have a look and get my bearings around when I'm back then, never got a chance to get her up in the air to know what I'm looking at underneath before leaving the UK and managed to forget to bring my Haynes manual to read out here, DOH!
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luckyseven
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Sept 21, 2019 9:28:07 GMT
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Yeah, like zeberdee said, it's all in the tunnel, which is sealed. That's why they're a bit of a fiddle. The rear one isn't so bad, you lift the rear seat squab up and one screw undoes a covering plate at the back end of the tunnel. Inside is this; Gear linkage finished by Nick Liassides, on Flickr the tapered rod that goes into the front of the red bushing is the shifter rod; the narrower one the other side is the actuator in the end of the gearbox nose. You need to undo the square-headed bolt to release the entire cage assembly, then the large screw that goes through both rubber blocks (the red bits are new polyurethane ones). Like I said, better to keep the steel VW cage rather than the new crappy aftermarket one. The large screw cuts its own thread into a flanged sleeve that goes through the bush from the other side, thus locking both rubber blocks together The old rubber bushes in mine were totally knackered, it was well worth swapping Gear linkage old v new by Nick Liassides, on Flickr I haven't got photos of doing the front bush, but it's basically a little doughnut that lives in a loop welded to the inside of the tunnel. It hangs down just behind the aperture where the gearlever mounts. This means to change it, you have to slide the shifter rod (having undone the rear bush assembly as above) all the way forwards until it's free of the bush floor cleaning by Nick Liassides, on Flickr As you can see, that's quite a length. Length matters, apparently. There's a closing plate in the front valance and another in the front of the framehead that you need to remove to slide the rod out the front of the car afar enough to clear the bush. Then all you have to do is swap the little nylon bush without through a hole smaller than your hand, blind, without dropping it irretrievably into the bottom of the tunnel. Then thread the shift rod back through without pushing the bush out of its mounting. Fun it ain't The advantage of having a ramp is you don't have to access the closing plates at the front rolling around on the floor, but other than that, it won't be much help, sad to say
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Last Edit: Sept 21, 2019 9:29:07 GMT by luckyseven
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Sept 21, 2019 20:45:44 GMT
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I need to replace the front bush on mine really not looking forward to that job!
I've got a scat shifter seems to shift alright going along but 1st and 2nd are abit tight sometimes gets stuck in reverse so assume it's the bushes and maybe in need of adjustment.
Really fancy a berg shifter most people seem to prefer them. That bug tech shifter looks nice!
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