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Has a active club we like to support our members - Although Jowett built cars are relatively simple in design they all have some complex issues - The Jowett Javelin was the first post second world war all new production design - it was also the first production car with a curved glass windscreen  Like all cars the windscreen rubber degrades over long periods and then leaks - replacement rubbers are available through the clubs spares scheme 'Jowett Car Spares' - however fitting of curved glass windscreens was in it's infancy when Jowett designed the Javelin and they did not make it easy  When things are not easy it's amazing has to how many stories / tales / opinions of how things should be done - these get exaggerated and the net result is that very few owners actually attempt the procedure  So on a recent Saturday I held a club technical day for the actual process of removing & fitting the windscreen with a new rubber - several fellow member Javelin owners attended   The problem with the Javelin windscreen is getting it past the flanges on the windscreen pillars - it takes a lot of patience and at least two people before you can get the screen against the aperture - the screen is fitted from the inside not the outside has on most other vehicles  Once it is against the aperture the fitting is pretty straight forward but believe me getting it past the flanges is very time consuming task  Not happy with doing the one Javelin we then did another  A long day but much achieved - a few members attended that I had not met before and we could all knowledge share  In all a very successful club technical day  |
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Aug 22, 2018 11:17:01 GMT
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That doesn't look TOO painful! If you know how of course! But what a lovely idea to have a show and tell for your members!
If you want difficult, try a lowline MkII Zodiac screen! I'm one of the very few in the UK who know how to do this correctly, even most glass companies won't touch them! It's so tricky, and there are fragile and mostly irreplaceable bits that can be damaged in the process, that I advise amateurs not to even THINK about trying it! "How hard can it be?" VERY!
Steve
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That doesn't look TOO painful! If you know how of course! But what a lovely idea to have a show and tell for your members! If you want difficult, try a lowline MkII Zodiac screen! I'm one of the very few in the UK who know how to do this correctly, even most glass companies won't touch them! It's so tricky, and there are fragile and mostly irreplaceable bits that can be damaged in the process, that I advise amateurs not to even THINK about trying it! "How hard can it be?" VERY! Steve I worked for a large windscreen fitting company for some time but decades ago - with my lifelong interest in classics I became the company specialist in classic fitting - the early curved screens were very difficult and the rare hand built / coach built / exotic's were just something else to fit a windscreen to ! |
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bstardchild
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Aug 23, 2018 22:21:10 GMT
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That doesn't look TOO painful! If you know how of course! But what a lovely idea to have a show and tell for your members! If you want difficult, try a lowline MkII Zodiac screen! I'm one of the very few in the UK who know how to do this correctly, even most glass companies won't touch them! It's so tricky, and there are fragile and mostly irreplaceable bits that can be damaged in the process, that I advise amateurs not to even THINK about trying it! "How hard can it be?" VERY! Steve I worked for a large windscreen fitting company for some time but decades ago - with my lifelong interest in classics I became the company specialist in classic fitting - the early curved screens were very difficult and the rare hand built / coach built / exotic's were just something else to fit a windscreen to ! I had a Modern fitter come to replace the screen on my Monza a few years back I had to explain that the trim goes in the seal before the glass is fitted - this he struggled with but as he'd never done a Monza screen he accepted that I probably knew best He then got the biggest tube of goo out I'd seen and was about to snot up the aperture and seals I stopped him and said stick any of that glop anywhere near the aperture or the seals and you can curse word off now - it goes in with no sealant He rang his technical department as he his work instructions stated that all non bonded screens had to be snotted Eventually I signed a disclaimer to say if it leaked it was down to me Didn't leak at all (well till I rolled the car anyway) When they fill all the gaps with sealant the water can't get away from around the screen until the surround rots and the screen falls out!!!! |
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I worked for a large windscreen fitting company for some time but decades ago - with my lifelong interest in classics I became the company specialist in classic fitting - the early curved screens were very difficult and the rare hand built / coach built / exotic's were just something else to fit a windscreen to ! I had a Modern fitter come to replace the screen on my Monza a few years back I had to explain that the trim goes in the seal before the glass is fitted - this he struggled with but as he'd never done a Monza screen he accepted that I probably knew best He then got the biggest tube of goo out I'd seen and was about to snot up the aperture and seals I stopped him and said stick any of that glop anywhere near the aperture or the seals and you can curse word off now - it goes in with no sealant He rang his technical department as he his work instructions stated that all non bonded screens had to be snotted Eventually I signed a disclaimer to say if it leaked it was down to me Didn't leak at all (well till I rolled the car anyway) When they fill all the gaps with sealant the water can't get away from around the screen until the surround rots and the screen falls out!!!! It all varied with what model type you were working on - you would have never have got away with not sealing up Marina's / Allegro's / Transit's / Escort's etc has they all leaked like a sieve from new - the higher end prestige cars were less of a problem - some of the commercials were straight forward but things like the ERF B series were a swine to fit a laminated screen to - big fibre glass cab with an acute wrap wound of the screen on each side - just getting the huge screen up to the aperture single handed was a task in it's self. |
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ren
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Aug 25, 2018 12:29:04 GMT
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Who did you work for grumpy? I've worked for one of the larger windscreen companies for the last 15 year's now although I'm no longer on the tools.
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Rob M
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Aug 25, 2018 14:11:21 GMT
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I did a windscreen of a 6A Scimitar I once owned.
It took two of us to do it, my mate outside with his knees and bodyweight pushing the glass into the apeture and me inside with the stout but thin rope.....
No company, large or small wanted to touch it so I had to do it. I'm glad I did, it didn't leak and doing it made me look considerably smarter than I really am!
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Aug 25, 2018 15:37:45 GMT
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Please put the rubber, before you place it into the car, in a bucket of Hot water for at least an hour.
This makes the rubber a lot easier to put in, once it cools down it stiffens and it a PITA to work with.
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Aug 27, 2018 21:17:58 GMT
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One of the current joys is "specialists" who sell seals that are not quite correct. Wasted many unpleasant hours trying fit a Triumph Spitfire seal - which is usually straightforward, because the seal supplied was the wrong length (too long) and not quite the right profile.
We managed to get it in after a massive struggle but it was bulging at the corners. Got another seal from the same supplier and that was even longer. Cut it down (40mm!) and reglued and it was better but still bulging a bit at the corners.
Finally got another direct from COH Baines and it went straight in and sat right first time.
Nick
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1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend)
1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing)
1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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ChasR
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As @grumpynorthener said, you wouldn't get away without sealant in the Stag. They were poorly designed from new. That and if the seal dry rots it will hold water in the aperture anyway. This happened in my Stag; The seal had cracked so much it was actually holding water within it. The fitter who came to fit it knew exactly what to do however. On the Stags I believe you assemble the trim onto the screen and then with the seal and trim on the screen it all goes in as one. One of the current joys is "specialists" who sell seals that are not quite correct. Wasted many unpleasant hours trying fit a Triumph Spitfire seal - which is usually straightforward, because the seal supplied was the wrong length (too long) and not quite the right profile. We managed to get it in after a massive struggle but it was bulging at the corners. Got another seal from the same supplier and that was even longer. Cut it down (40mm!) and reglued and it was better but still bulging a bit at the corners. Finally got another direct from COH Baines and it went straight in and sat right first time. Nick In a strange way we are partly to blame for that. Not us directly, but the general public. Show them a £5 bush that will last 5 minutes and a £20 bush that will last a lifetime and most will still go with the £5 part, and say "It's OK, I'm saving money, I'll just change them every year". And they want us to without an MOT on older stuff? This behavior was seen a bit on the Stag forum and the 944 forum and very much in the M3 division. Yes, the parts are pricey but is it all just 'badge tax' or is it down to scarcity etc.? At least the latter has a good source of parts are reasonable prices, both from the dealer and a few specialists. They were also pricey cars back in the day with very capable performance in the case of the M3 and 944. While I like saving cash as much as the next person, if those services or products aren't used, they will go, and as we are seeing, we won't notice until it is too late. I know it is never quite too late, but it certainly becomes more challenging and then more expensive to get the bits you want. |
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Who did you work for grumpy? I've worked for one of the larger windscreen companies for the last 15 year's now although I'm no longer on the tools. I worked for Autowindcreens but 30 years ago in their infancy days - they were just building their own factory for screen manufacture when I joined but it's all been asset stripped and has gone to the wall at least once since I departed a long time ago |
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ren
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Who did you work for grumpy? I've worked for one of the larger windscreen companies for the last 15 year's now although I'm no longer on the tools. I worked for Autowindcreens but 30 years ago in their infancy days - they were just building their own factory for screen manufacture when I joined but it's all been asset stripped and has gone to the wall at least once since I departed a long time ago That's who I work for. You're right it all went down the pan about 7 years ago after a couple of years of bad owners and bad management. I'm pleased to say though that the company who bought the trading name and restarted have done nothing but good things with it. Lots of investment and opening lots of new fitting centres that had all previously been closed. It was a rough few years at the beginning but we have hopefully put all that behind us now. |
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Sept 2, 2018 10:34:50 GMT
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I worked for Autowindcreens but 30 years ago in their infancy days - they were just building their own factory for screen manufacture when I joined but it's all been asset stripped and has gone to the wall at least once since I departed a long time ago That's who I work for. You're right it all went down the pan about 7 years ago after a couple of years of bad owners and bad management. I'm pleased to say though that the company who bought the trading name and restarted have done nothing but good things with it. Lots of investment and opening lots of new fitting centres that had all previously been closed. It was a rough few years at the beginning but we have hopefully put all that behind us now. Good stuff - Is there a chap by the name of Chris Bonsal still heading the training school or has he now hung his boots up ? |
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ren
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Sept 2, 2018 19:50:53 GMT
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That's who I work for. You're right it all went down the pan about 7 years ago after a couple of years of bad owners and bad management. I'm pleased to say though that the company who bought the trading name and restarted have done nothing but good things with it. Lots of investment and opening lots of new fitting centres that had all previously been closed. It was a rough few years at the beginning but we have hopefully put all that behind us now. Good stuff - Is there a chap by the name of Chris Bonsal still heading the training school or has he now hung his boots up ? Chris retired about 5 years ago, I believe he still keeps his hand in occasionally with some of the independents. Top guy. |
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Sept 4, 2018 21:15:23 GMT
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The Split screen in the early Morris 1000 is a pain to fit - even the guys at the Morris Minor Centre down in Kent say it is a swine. it took a team of Four to get ours in!!  |
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Last Edit: Sept 4, 2018 21:19:42 GMT by flyingphil
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Sept 4, 2018 21:51:00 GMT
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The Split screen in the early Morris 1000 is a pain to fit - even the guys at the Morris Minor Centre down in Kent say it is a swine. it took a team of Four to get ours in!! Yep that one is fitted from the inside out too - just like the Javelin |
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