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Apr 15, 2018 11:46:06 GMT
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I have a Saab diesel thats leaking from two injectors and i am just wondering how difficult it is to get them out . I have ordered a slide hammer tool and attachments as well as a seat cutter and i plan to do it myself . Plan of action is to get rid of as much mess and stuck on carbon/ tar and soak it every night with WD40 and hope for the best .
Also i gather all i have to do r.e fuelling is disconnect the negative of the battery and then hook it all back up after ? Will the engine turn for ages after without firing to clear the air in the system ? I'm hoping not to have to mess around trying to bleed stuff and play around with the bits i don't understand .
Any thoughts or advice appreciated
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Apr 15, 2018 12:01:22 GMT
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it varies masaively, most "should" just pull out by hand, but if they have been leaking or were installed dry then they can be well seized in.
with commonrail engines they self bleed so just a bit of cranking will sort it.
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Apr 15, 2018 12:02:37 GMT
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no need to disconnect the battery other than for access if it's in the way, which it wont be on a diesel saab.
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stealthstylz
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Apr 15, 2018 12:04:02 GMT
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It can be anything from a doddle to a scrap head and there's no way to know until you try. I've got a photo somewhere of me with a slide hammer hanging off a roof beam, onto a F9Q injector stuck in a head, with a complete F9Q engine chained onto that and hammering the curse word out of it and it still wouldn't come out.
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Apr 15, 2018 12:27:02 GMT
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It can be anything from a doddle to a scrap head and there's no way to know until you try. I've got a photo somewhere of me with a slide hammer hanging off a roof beam, onto a F9Q injector stuck in a head, with a complete F9Q engine chained onto that and hammering the curse word out of it and it still wouldn't come out. Christ .... i have brown pants now . Like you said , just have a crack at it . I would rather spend £80 on tools and find out its screwed rather than take it to a garage and get a few hundred quid bill for nothing . Cheers.
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Apr 15, 2018 12:28:29 GMT
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it varies masaively, most "should" just pull out by hand, but if they have been leaking or were installed dry then they can be well seized in. with commonrail engines they self bleed so just a bit of cranking will sort it. Do they need lubing ? Read somewhere about silicone based grease used on some or something ? Also the seat cutter , is that just used for a few turns to get a decent flat surface for the seal ?
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Apr 15, 2018 12:32:48 GMT
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Friend had a merc sprinter with leaky injectors, had to soak them in oven cleaner to get the carbon and gunge off them before removing Ttfn Glenn
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stealthstylz
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Apr 15, 2018 12:45:15 GMT
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Yeah seat cutter just needs a quick dab, I don't tend to do them unless you can visibly see the seat is a bit curse word as if it's still on the engine it's difficult to get the cuttings out.
As I said just go for it. Make sure you keep the puller square or you'll snap the injector. You can burn them out with a spark eroded if all else fails but by that point you might aswell fit another head as its cheaper.
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Apr 15, 2018 12:49:34 GMT
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Friend had a merc sprinter with leaky injectors, had to soak them in oven cleaner to get the carbon and gunge off them before removing Ttfn Glenn Yeah i used some already as you could not see the base of the injectors or the clamp that holds it to start with . Probably removed near enough a kilo of carbon from the top of the engine !
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Apr 15, 2018 12:50:36 GMT
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Yeah seat cutter just needs a quick dab, I don't tend to do them unless you can visibly see the seat is a bit curse word as if it's still on the engine it's difficult to get the cuttings out. As I said just go for it. Make sure you keep the puller square or you'll snap the injector. You can burn them out with a spark eroded if all else fails but by that point you might aswell fit another head as its cheaper. Tip i heard which might be useful - bit of hose taped to shop vac to go down the hole . I will play it by eye i think .
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Apr 15, 2018 13:20:38 GMT
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If it’s chuffing you’ve got a much better chance of it coming out , I usually try and knock it side ways back and forth to help break the carbon up before resorting to the puller . With a spare pair of hands you can get a pry bar in and get some leverage on it and knock it back and forth they usually come out ,
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Apr 15, 2018 20:52:10 GMT
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if you havnt stripped bits off for access its better (in my opinion)to let the engine run up to temp before tryin to remove,not had problems with the saabs to be honest, but fq9(as stealthstylz says above)is the nitemare one, but not failed yet with the pichler kit
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I used a slide hammer on my old vw t4 to get the injectors out. I sourced a nut the same thread as the injector end, the welded this onto the slide hammer attachment. Mine werent leaking but still took a few hard whacks to get them out. Good luck.
Oh yeah, Coca cola doesnt do f**k all
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Apr 17, 2018 10:40:46 GMT
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I take it the above applies for indirect injection cars
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Apr 17, 2018 11:12:12 GMT
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As has only been mentioned once above, Hot engine is much easier!
My mg with a hot engine one small nudge came out, when cold... 3 hours of slide hammering and broken things.
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Apr 18, 2018 21:36:48 GMT
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Hot engine will definitely help as the carbon stuff will be softer
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Hot engine will definitely help as the carbon stuff will be softer And the expansion from the heat helps.
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May 24, 2018 10:03:47 GMT
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Edit - just had this job done to replace seals on two injectors . I spent the day before cleaning the gunk out as best i could slowly with a tiny screw driver , gunk , white spirit etc . Got a mobile mechanic to do it as really could not get a garage that wanted to do it ! If anyone does this job on that family of engines forget what the youtube videos say ! Just remove the clamp nut and wiggle the injector and clamp back and forth and remove as one unit . Remove old seal and cut seat and clean , as well as the base of the injector . The mechanic use this stuff which is pretty amazing at dissolving carbon , oven cleaner has nowt on it . www.google.co.uk/search?q=permatex+injector+decarbonizer&rlz=1C1CHBD_en-GBGB732GB732&oq=permatex+inj&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0.6242j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8Took less than 1 1/4 hours and he charged me £80 all in - bloody well chuffed - nice to meet a mechanic who has some enthusiasm and explained it all and where others cut corners ! Happy chap !
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May 24, 2018 18:21:36 GMT
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Just wondering if the compression of the engine could free them.....?
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