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Hello My parents have a few acres in France and I've ran out of activities to do, they also have an oak forest intruding onto the property meaning there is plenty of 10" oaks and most of them are about 30' tapering nicely. So I decided to make something from oak, something like a gable end garage like this: As usual with any of my projects I set about doing the whole thing completely free as, being an engineer, I refuse to pay for lesser engineering services by others. Did some working out of materials and sizes Decided the joints where 3-4 beams converge was not practical with my skill, so figured out a work around using simple steel designs Bit more detail design Thinking all the steel will be premade in UK and shipped over, so figured just make one size and pack the smaller beams to suit Basically decided to copy the roman wash house down the road because it looks nice. We are also near a 1400 church and any new building needs to look like it basically, and I will be building a 'wood store' first (no walls), then go down the retrospective planning route and asking for permission to wall it in, as we assume the local council will actually be impressed by it.. Did some sketches of how the joints might work, based on mortise & tenon techniques of the original. After reading what's easiest to do for foundations (strip or float a raft), I decided to go for pad foundations.. As I decided the frame will be made of 8" square oak pillars and 6" square beams, and a proper tile roof, I settled on 2 foot cube pads per pillar - 6,nr. So, much digging though nothing but completely lovely top soil - Then I came up with a design for a reinforcing cage made from 6mm and tied with metal gardening twine / cable ties: Made a one off: And fired up the xmas gin Then made a production line, all hand bend over the stone wall outside (wheey) Finished them quote late, was curse word by this point So made coq au vin, properly wobbly by this point
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Last Edit: Feb 7, 2018 16:21:04 GMT by hario
*S202 C300TD Wagon* Installed: OM606 & 722.6, Evo6 IC, S600AMG callipers & 345mm rotors. No catz. Leatherish seats.. Rust.. Future: DIY manifolds & turbo compound build. Built IP, & some kind of software. Less rust..
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Fired up the china French mixing gear we bought for such activities Decided the genny was too close for comfort when drinking beer / mixing, so had to French up the Uk extension I found: Well that took ages - 2x full mixes of that big capacity mixerizer in one hole! Burned loads of time getting everything to sit square! I would definitely next time make a timber frame to hold each steel bracket square and true, as they all went wonky as soon as I poured.... (But had no spare [square] timber and it is in the middle of nowhere) Did not realise how sloped the site was until I levelled the strings Have to make some serious shuttering for this This would definitely be described as 'improvised' Build quality steadily declined as the day passed to the square of the beer volume consumed:
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Last Edit: Feb 7, 2018 19:30:14 GMT by hario
*S202 C300TD Wagon* Installed: OM606 & 722.6, Evo6 IC, S600AMG callipers & 345mm rotors. No catz. Leatherish seats.. Rust.. Future: DIY manifolds & turbo compound build. Built IP, & some kind of software. Less rust..
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hario
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Getting there, that was the following evening, I should have left it to cure another day as the concrete chipped off a bit at the edges but only minor
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*S202 C300TD Wagon* Installed: OM606 & 722.6, Evo6 IC, S600AMG callipers & 345mm rotors. No catz. Leatherish seats.. Rust.. Future: DIY manifolds & turbo compound build. Built IP, & some kind of software. Less rust..
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First productive trip finished and happy with the result, only went for a week and only worked about 4h per day on the project as this was over xmas and there was wine to drink etc Note the top soil kicking about, I'm slowly piling up the dirt around the footings to level it off so the grass regrows and hides the protruding concrete, it will be castained at a later date, joining the rest of the yet to be built drive.
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Last Edit: Feb 7, 2018 16:07:56 GMT by hario
*S202 C300TD Wagon* Installed: OM606 & 722.6, Evo6 IC, S600AMG callipers & 345mm rotors. No catz. Leatherish seats.. Rust.. Future: DIY manifolds & turbo compound build. Built IP, & some kind of software. Less rust..
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hario
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Flying home and noticed Bergerac airport is made of the same galv feets! Bienvenu, until next time, Dam Ryanballs
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Last Edit: Feb 7, 2018 16:23:10 GMT by hario
*S202 C300TD Wagon* Installed: OM606 & 722.6, Evo6 IC, S600AMG callipers & 345mm rotors. No catz. Leatherish seats.. Rust.. Future: DIY manifolds & turbo compound build. Built IP, & some kind of software. Less rust..
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hario
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Last Edit: Sept 7, 2018 12:08:05 GMT by hario
*S202 C300TD Wagon* Installed: OM606 & 722.6, Evo6 IC, S600AMG callipers & 345mm rotors. No catz. Leatherish seats.. Rust.. Future: DIY manifolds & turbo compound build. Built IP, & some kind of software. Less rust..
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Figuring out the piloting depth and size for the coach bolts, loads of axle grease on all threads and it went together nice, I'm pretty sure I've assembled these galv brackets upside down and the wider spreader plate should be used on the timber side, but as I'd already poured all the 6x plinths by the time I realised, and the studding was cast into these plinths, it wasn't changing any time soon..
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Last Edit: Feb 7, 2018 16:52:26 GMT by hario
*S202 C300TD Wagon* Installed: OM606 & 722.6, Evo6 IC, S600AMG callipers & 345mm rotors. No catz. Leatherish seats.. Rust.. Future: DIY manifolds & turbo compound build. Built IP, & some kind of software. Less rust..
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hario
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Got back to france and started to get things erected Quite happy with how it's all in proportion, I think it's 3.5 x 5m I went for in the end, beams are 2.5m high, +200mm steel feet/brackets. This one was a gnarly shape but I liked how it looked so I cut around the knots and installed this pillar beam at front and centre of the wall facing the house I do love how it looks: And that's about it for that last trip, ran out of wood cut down and needed to wait for the next season, for the sap to fall and allow more tree felling, Made some more coq au vin And that brings us up to speed as at 7/2/18. return to holiday/site in march, so I've started collecting the next batch of materials including a proper 19790's Ryobi (when they were still good) chain mortiser: And I'm currently waiting for some steels to turn up which will tie in the rafters to the 'ground floor' timber,
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Last Edit: Feb 7, 2018 17:05:23 GMT by hario
*S202 C300TD Wagon* Installed: OM606 & 722.6, Evo6 IC, S600AMG callipers & 345mm rotors. No catz. Leatherish seats.. Rust.. Future: DIY manifolds & turbo compound build. Built IP, & some kind of software. Less rust..
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This is just fantastic. Inspirational work. Thanks for sharing
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Wilk
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Nice work
It pays to birds mouth the common rafters where the fit to the horizontal wall plate to give further rigidity. The birds mouth should be cut a 1/3 Rd the depth of the rafter 👍
Btw oak will rot steel fixings (not sure of affect with galv) This is why brass is used in oak doors and furniture
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If it can be fixed with a hammer, then it must be an electrical fault
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Sir, I doff my chapeau in your direction, your vino fuelled ingenuity is an inspiration.
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74 Mk1 Escort 1360, 1971 Vauxhall Victor SL2000 Estate.
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hario
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Nice work It pays to birds mouth the common rafters where the fit to the horizontal wall plate to give further rigidity. The birds mouth should be cut a 1/3 Rd the depth of the rafter 👍 Btw oak will rot steel fixings (not sure of affect with galv) This is why brass is used in oak doors and furniture Hello, Thanks!
Actually I did not detail, the three oak beams forming the rafters will be assembled with mortise & tenon joints, Ideally at low level and hoisted up if we can organise a lift, as you can kind of see here, I've just re-read and see I didn't explain earlier.
All the metalwork for the strapping is 304SS & so will all the bolts & tenon pins, all M12 304SS all thread. No SS coach bolts were available at the time, so I will change them out individually post build probably,
Also note I'm going for a queen post truss design, and underslung ridge board, all due to the thought process of making it simple as possible to build and assemble, yet be more interesting than anything else likely to be built nearby..
Yes I've looked into birds mouthing now you mention it and as all other rafters will be softwood it will be quite easy to design in a hefty overhang, and as I can't really give the roof a barn-end shape, I can maybe give one side a big over hang for a wood store type thing.
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Last Edit: Feb 7, 2018 19:51:03 GMT by hario
*S202 C300TD Wagon* Installed: OM606 & 722.6, Evo6 IC, S600AMG callipers & 345mm rotors. No catz. Leatherish seats.. Rust.. Future: DIY manifolds & turbo compound build. Built IP, & some kind of software. Less rust..
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hario
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An underslung ridge board means there can be a block & tackle hung from a traverse rail off the ridge board, and with a queen post truss, and the ridge board protruding, I can hoist things outside to high level and traverse them in, maybe to store in the roof, or lower inside, think engines, many, many engines......
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*S202 C300TD Wagon* Installed: OM606 & 722.6, Evo6 IC, S600AMG callipers & 345mm rotors. No catz. Leatherish seats.. Rust.. Future: DIY manifolds & turbo compound build. Built IP, & some kind of software. Less rust..
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hario
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Word just in from the front line and the reclaimed tiles have arrived! So it looks like there's going to be some serious weight on this roof, All good condition roman style, c/w moss patina so the building will seem legit as soon as it's erected. All free also! Thanks Alain! Woo!
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Last Edit: Feb 7, 2018 21:32:22 GMT by hario
*S202 C300TD Wagon* Installed: OM606 & 722.6, Evo6 IC, S600AMG callipers & 345mm rotors. No catz. Leatherish seats.. Rust.. Future: DIY manifolds & turbo compound build. Built IP, & some kind of software. Less rust..
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Feb 11, 2018 10:31:42 GMT
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Great stuff and bookmarked!
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hario
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Mar 15, 2018 11:21:28 GMT
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After pouring the foundations and letting it harden for 6 months it seemed like a good idea to complete the design of the structural fixing elements... Drawings made for the metalwork needed, all lasered from 10mm thick 304SS plate. Total came to £630. 14,nr of the long steel straps which will tie the trusses into the 'ground floor' level structural beams. The square plates are for 'knife plate' mortise connections, this means we just need to cut mortises in all the beams to be connected with our chain mortiser, insert plate, then mark and drill for SS m12 studding and fit nuts/washers - much easier than hand chiselling a tenon for every connection. And because we like SS.. £92 to Fed-Ex fully insured to Lot-et-Garrone just in time for our flight this weekend 17/3/18. Updates to follow. Beers!
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Last Edit: Sept 7, 2018 14:55:39 GMT by hario
*S202 C300TD Wagon* Installed: OM606 & 722.6, Evo6 IC, S600AMG callipers & 345mm rotors. No catz. Leatherish seats.. Rust.. Future: DIY manifolds & turbo compound build. Built IP, & some kind of software. Less rust..
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hario
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Mar 27, 2018 11:51:53 GMT
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God dam hate Stansted almost as much as Ryanshit air Ordered some more oaks to be cut down for us (20 meters of 9" min. dia.)
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*S202 C300TD Wagon* Installed: OM606 & 722.6, Evo6 IC, S600AMG callipers & 345mm rotors. No catz. Leatherish seats.. Rust.. Future: DIY manifolds & turbo compound build. Built IP, & some kind of software. Less rust..
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Mar 27, 2018 12:19:10 GMT
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God dam hate Stansted almost as much as Ryanshit air Ooh goody, an update. Never flown from Stanstead but, after a single Ryanair flight, informed my company that I wasn't prepared to fly strap-hanging! Never again. Won't fly budget here either any more. To be honest, by the time you've paid for all the "extras" like somewhere to sit, they ain't much cheaper than full-fat.
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Mar 27, 2018 19:47:16 GMT
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Why is it that the only time we buy or eat Toblerone is when we go to an airport 🙃
Great acquisition on the tiles 👍
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If it can be fixed with a hammer, then it must be an electrical fault
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hario
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Last couple of beams seasoned from last year were ready to complete the uprights - this one is 8" square x 2.5m And started on the smaller horizontals: Simple tenons & slots rather than true mortises made these joints much easier to 'carpentry' and install. As they'll be through bolted there is no strength loss from not using a true mortise Started on the mortises for the knife plates: After a few of these mortises cut with a drill & chisel we decided we needed to fire up the chain mortise! After Frenching-up the 110 tranny one evening (wheey): They are working well though: Figured out a drilling jig rather than smashing the 16 in blind (wheey) Even works at height: And how thee 45 degree braced connections look: Weeks supply of Roquefort so we are all set:
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Last Edit: Mar 28, 2018 9:01:21 GMT by hario
*S202 C300TD Wagon* Installed: OM606 & 722.6, Evo6 IC, S600AMG callipers & 345mm rotors. No catz. Leatherish seats.. Rust.. Future: DIY manifolds & turbo compound build. Built IP, & some kind of software. Less rust..
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