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So, I’m sick of gas less welding (wonder why) and Clarke say you can convert the 100EN welder to gas welding - I am an Uber tight Yorkshireman so if I have to pay for something its a poor do!
Asked my mates who just told me to throw away that and spend a few hundred squid on a secondhand gas mig - what’s the point in that!
I’ve heard of fire extinguishers converted too.
It galls me to have to go into halfrauds and buy the gas bottles and the regulator and then throw the bottle away after 1 weld!
I use it at home to weld up flexi joints, back boxes, brackets etc as I buy, repair and sell naughtiest volkswagens on the weekend for extra cash, not a professional setup.
Anyone any help?
Sam
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Jan 26, 2018 11:04:17 GMT
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Jan 26, 2018 11:11:50 GMT
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The main thing I noticed on my 90EN is that the connection polarity is reversed for gas vs. gasless welding. Not sure if it's the same on the 100EN.
ETA - looks like it is. I've got a PDF of the manual that covers the 90, 100, 105 and 151 if you want to PM me your email address.
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Last Edit: Jan 26, 2018 11:16:51 GMT by droopsnoot
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Jan 26, 2018 11:55:18 GMT
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don't bother with the throw away bottles last no time at all, invest in a pub gas type cylinder and proper C02 Regulator, you will have to get / make a hose adaptor. hopefully the 100EN has a gas solenoid..
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Take the Next slot right coming up on the left.
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Jan 26, 2018 12:14:18 GMT
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Your local motorfactor will do gas most likely, locally we have SGS which do a no rent bottle, just a deposit for the bottle and a fee for the fill.
would 100% recommend an argon/co2 mix not straight co2, you'll need a regulator as well.
the conversion is detailed in the clarke manual which you can download on their service website and off the machinemart site, I think its something along the lines of swap the polarity and fit the gas tube.
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rollingcoal
Part of things
we can engineer a way around that, maybe
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Jan 26, 2018 12:21:25 GMT
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get a proper bottle argon co2 mix or pure argon there are now independent suppliers just put mig gas suppliers into a search engine as stated the polarity needs changing you will not be disappointed on the improvement of the welds well worth the investment forget the tiny bottles waist of time and money
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Jan 26, 2018 18:10:56 GMT
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Machine mart do (or used to) the conversion kit for proper bottles.
I used BOC Argoshield Universal, i had a bottle given to me,so just used to pay for refills,but last yr my supplier stopped doing it.
In the end i used ‘Hobby Gas’ they have agents that do their gases. £60 deposit on Argoshield cylinder ( refunded if you want to stop having it) just pay for refills. No other supplier round here willing to deal with an ‘as and when’ cash punter.
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Jan 28, 2018 10:44:32 GMT
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nomad Thanks for the offer mate, I’m living in the south of Ireland now so a bit far away! Everything here seems to be daylight robbery nowadays, and hard to get anyone that will help out a hobbyist they all just want commercial monies
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Jan 28, 2018 10:47:36 GMT
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The main thing I noticed on my 90EN is that the connection polarity is reversed for gas vs. gasless welding. Not sure if it's the same on the 100EN. ETA - looks like it is. I've got a PDF of the manual that covers the 90, 100, 105 and 151 if you want to PM me your email address. Cheers droopsnoot I have that manual for them, it seems I can, have only had it a year and got it as payment for work done so haven’t messed around with it much. I am welding more and more and the cost of the gas less wire is outrageous compared to standard mig wire!
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Jan 28, 2018 10:51:56 GMT
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Equipment@optimusprime, rollingcoal, welshpug, paulthewall, thanks for the advice guys. It’s this forum where I actually get sold advice. Even my mates were just telling me to spend big money on a new mig :/ Irish Oxygen’s website says for DIYers that Cork Welding Equipment sells bottles, so might have to investigate that. It was actually nomad ‘s wombling thread that made me think about fire extinguishers refilled. I have no idea about converting one however. I could probably get one reasonably easily and they are a nice size too
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Jan 28, 2018 23:15:31 GMT
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nomad that regulator is exactly what I need - come payday I will be investing in one - not much more expensive than the eBay cheap Chinese ones and probably a lot safer. If I order that do all fire extinguishers share the same thread?
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First thing you need to do is decide what gas you will be using, for "mixed gas / Argon" cylinders you need a different type of gauge I bought the co2 gauge ("conversion kit") in my link because it comes complete with the hose & fittings, and I'd happily recommend it to others If I order that do all fire extinguishers share the same thread? All the co2 extinguishers (3 of) & pub co2 cylinders (2 of) that I've tried had the same thread as my gauge, so I guess most if not all are the same Tip : the horn / nozzle on the extinguishers just unscrews. Fit the gauge then use molegrips to hold the handle "squeezed" so the co2 flows. You soon work out what's needed otherwise you get no gas Advanced users might want to squeeze the handle and drill a hole through it so they can fit a pin to hold it in place (ie "hand grenade" pin)
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Jan 29, 2018 12:10:44 GMT
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unless your welding with Stainless or Ali wire...
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Take the Next slot right coming up on the left.
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I reckon pure CO2 would be easiest to get hold of for their DIY market?
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Jan 30, 2018 13:27:32 GMT
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argoshield type is readily available.
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Jan 30, 2018 13:53:15 GMT
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Pure C02 is the cheapest welding gas available, Yes you get better penetration for amperage rate with an Ar/C02 mix, it all depends on what your wanting to weld and what your set up is.
I'd suggest that Ar/C02 mix would give you margianally better results on a Clarke 100EN mig, but enough to warrent going down that route if your only ever going to do small mild steel work (thin panel work, exhaust repairs etc)?
Possibly not,
You'll notice you have to use more amps to get the same level of penetration as C02 has a cooling effect on the weld pool, (hence in industrial applications of Olde before Ar/C02 was readily available some mig sets would have a C02 gas heaing element..)
Allthough Ar/C02 does allow greater flexibilty in which materials you want to weld, Alu / Stainless.
The Co2 and Ar/C02 regulator fittings are different, although you can get an adaptor from one to the other.
if you do go down the gas conversion route, be careful with all the gas connections, you may need to upgrade the quality of the pipes & fittings, a quick squirt with soapy water will show up and gas leaks.
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Take the Next slot right coming up on the left.
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Jan 30, 2018 23:41:24 GMT
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When I learnt to weld we used argoshield, but I’m a small-budget kind of guy!
It’s mainly exhausts and small bits of patching, bracket making etc.
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