g40jon
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Sept 11, 2017 10:36:04 GMT
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So a quick bit of background...... The wife has an MG ZT-T with the derv lump in it, the rear shocks are getting tired and one spring has cracked low down on the spring cup. Having already wasted hours of my life searching for replacements, I am really struggling. I have found some springs specific to the zt-t for just over £100, however I am really struggling to find any shocks. I'd love to know if the spring shock combo is specific to the tourer, or if it is the same as fitted to the saloon in terms of spring and damper rates. I know there was a comfort and sport option, but beyond that I can't seem to find much info. This got me thinking, the 75 platform uses a bmw z axle just like the e46 3 series. BMW made a touring e46 which is similar in size to a 75 tourer, so my idea is a simple one, can the shocks from a 3 series tourer be used on the 75 platform?
Any help would be much appreciated, as this is driving crazy to the point of considering just selling what is an otherwise decent, practial motor in favour of a car I can actually get parts for!
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Sept 11, 2017 10:46:41 GMT
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g40jon
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Sept 11, 2017 10:55:51 GMT
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I looked hard enough to spot the extortionate price tag in comparison to how much you can pick up a pair of e46 or even e36 rear shocks for! Perhaps I shoud have added that I don't/won't be paying £100 per shock on a car which doesn't have enough value in it to warrant such investment.
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Sept 11, 2017 11:02:57 GMT
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lol, fair enough, I'd be giving those Sachs dampers for a BMW a shot tbh.
I put about £600 of bilsteins on my £650 E34...
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g40jon
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Sept 11, 2017 11:43:45 GMT
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lol, fair enough, I'd be giving those Sachs dampers for a BMW a shot tbh. I put about £600 of bilsteins on my £650 E34... I've got an old damper off my e36, I think I will dig it out and see how it compares with the mg dampers. I can understand putting £600 of billies onto a quality product like BMW, even a £650 one :-)
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ChasR
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Sept 11, 2017 19:38:11 GMT
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The price will be that high because: -They are unavailable from anywhere ; remember the E46 had a diff etc in the back of it as well. -They are genuine ; IME new genuine is better than new OE despite what people say :I've done the mileage and tried a few things with varying results. From BMW my dampers are over £100 each ; ECP charge almost half the money but do one damper for both the Coupe and the heavier and wallowier convertible... But the top mounts are also a very similar design to the E46 items too. In your shoes if the cost of the dampers is too much to stomach I'd possibly look at the Sachs items as well. It's hard to say how they will perform but as always its an avenue to go down .
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g40jon
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Sept 11, 2017 21:16:11 GMT
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I figure anything is an improvement over the shocks currently on the car. I would bet any money they are the original dampers, so they have seen 13 years and 130k of use. If I had any intention of running the car for the same amount of time, the cost would be something I could live with, however the mrs goes through cars quicker than I do! 9 months and she is normally bored! Oddly enough the car still drives really well, even with the suspension on the rear being past its prime. I only noticed the orange/brown liquid running down the damper when pulling the wheels of to refurb them! The 75 seems to offer a much wider range of suspension options, but clearly they will be softer and slightly higher on the ride height. I still can't find any definitive answer as to whether the mg zt runs different dampers and springs to the zt-t which is frustrating as I have found some parts for the saloon which are half the price of any zt-t option I have so far come across.
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Sept 21, 2017 4:28:25 GMT
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I know it's late to the game but this one interests me as I've got a couple of each (two MG ZT saloons and a couple of E46 saloons)
I would have to disagree with your comment that the ZT are E46 are around the same size. The ZT is a noticeably larger car, both inside and out. Roughly grabbing some specs, there's over a foot of length difference, and its almost 3 inches wider. You can really tell the difference when driving them. For a good few months there I was driving a red ZT 2.5 and a red 330d every other day, and I'd say the E46 was a small car but the ZT is definitely not. I am surprised though that they are comparable in weight.
ZT: Length 4786mm Width 2009mm Height - Wheelbase2746mm
E46: Length 4478mm Width 1932mm Height 1409mm Wheelbase2725mm
Anyway I wanted to talk about springs. Basically, as BMW owned them, I would presume that they followed the same ideas as with the E46, in which case, the shock absorbers and springs are different rates to account for the extra c.70kg at the back end. They are the exact same size and fitment as saloon ones but not as strong so a Touring will sag with Saloon parts fitted. The BMW also has standard and Sport options which differs both shock and spring.
I would be very tempted to try fitting an E46 rear shock to a ZT, but the spring for the ZT appears to be about two coils taller than the E46 which is a very short one. It's a pig-tail type spring and there are no other (later/heavier) BMW models that use them. It would be a good way to lower one perhaps.
Anyway yeah, if you haven't done so already, try a Touring (or Cabrio) rear E46 shock... can't find dimensions online but if you have a strut off to measure, I can compare with an E46 one.
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g40jon
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Sept 21, 2017 12:45:11 GMT
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What's 30cm between friends! my comparison was between the estate versions going by eye, so no surprise to find the 75/zt-t is a touch bigger. As luck would have it some zt-t springs appeared on ebay in slightly used condition. The powder coat is still mint, so clearly not that old, so I purchased them. Interestingly, they don't look much different to a pair of heavy duty e36 touring springs which I have sat in my garage. I will have to take a closer look to see how they compare in terms of length and number of coils! So onto shocks. In the end I went with the cheapest generic rover 75 platform shocks I could find, purely on the logic that they would give far better damping than a pair of old dampers which have lost 50% of there ability to damp anything, that and I doubt how long we will retain the MG for, so I see little point in spending megabucks on it.
Interestingly the MG is also available with sport and comfort options, just like a BMW. The sport spec shocks are very hard to come by as apparently most people were of the opinion that they were to firm! (perhaps the owners were too old and brittle?!) I was impressed with the zt handling for a big fwd car.
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g40jon
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Sept 23, 2017 23:49:36 GMT
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So today I installed the rover 75 shocks and the mg spring bought off of evilbay. Pretty straight forward, all fitted fine. The old shocks were properly ruined! Next to no resistance and I think the probable reason one coil had snapped. Not driven it yet but the wife has and she noted the ride was more firm. Hopefully that is a good thing. time will tell how the setup does.
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Sept 24, 2017 11:23:30 GMT
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We have a 75 tourer and I got a pair of rear springs off evil bay for £40 delivered. I'd imagine that ZT shocks are slightly harder but that most of the difference would be in the shorter, higher poundage spring.
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Davey
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Sept 27, 2017 10:34:05 GMT
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I am in the same boat on this, you can modify e46 stuff to fit but the top mounts for the fronts are a very large bodge!
The only issue using 75 shocks on a ZT they are much softer and don't cope to well with the firmer springs, the 75 ZT owners club gave me all this info a long while ago but i have misplaced it.
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Sept 27, 2017 17:03:12 GMT
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I will be honest, I have debated getting something like a ZT-T of either the CDTi or V6 variety now and again.
This has put me off. I know there are some spares you can't get for the V6 anymore like the engine fans. But at least there are reasonably cost effective solutions out there for that, like SPAL or Kenlowe etc. as well as the breakers.
With dampers I am a little funny. Maybe my mile munching days and fiddling with the cars spoiled me. But I do like a composed and non tired feeling car now.
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g40jon
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Sept 28, 2017 18:50:28 GMT
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I will be honest, I have debated getting something like a ZT-T of either the CDTi or V6 variety now and again. This has put me off. I know there are some spares you can't get for the V6 anymore like the engine fans. But at least there are reasonably cost effective solutions out there for that, like SPAL or Kenlowe etc. as well as the breakers. With dampers I am a little funny. Maybe my mile munching days and fiddling with the cars spoiled me. But I do like a composed and non tired feeling car now. I don't blame you. It would seem the mg models are a pita for parts. The 75 seems ok for suspension at least. Will be back to bmws from now on.....
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