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Sept 8, 2017 23:10:37 GMT
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I've just bought another Lupo TDI with £30 tax. I am tempted to stick something else in there say for example a 1.8T or a 2.0TDI and I am finding conflicting info on how much tax I would be paying after doing that.
Some say tax will stay at £30 but it will fail MOT on emissions because it is based on VED rate, others say VED will be based on the engine conversion. So which is it or something else?
If the tax will rise there's not much point doing it and wasting a £30 shell tbh.
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Sept 8, 2017 23:58:52 GMT
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It's based on original taxation class - so will remain £30
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What about MOT time and emissions? cheers
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Post 2001 the emissions for MOT are based on what's on the V5C.
Pre 2001 it's based on cc.
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Sept 9, 2017 12:35:12 GMT
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So clear as mud then?
If I change engine to a 1.8T on V5C VED will be based on that engine if it is a post March 2001 engine, but not if it is older?
...or is the VED locked to the shell and the engine is irrelevant? But come MOT time the emissions will be expected to pass as if it is Band C (111-120 g/km co2)?
Not as simple as it seems.
Has anyone here got 1st hand experience of this scenario?
Cheers
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Sept 9, 2017 13:13:24 GMT
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diesel is just a smoke test, the only way to check co2/km is to strap particularly test equipment on and do a test cycle.
its quite easy if you use a standard engine from another model, but its a bit of a grey area if its not one ever fitted to a Lupo.
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Sept 9, 2017 13:20:17 GMT
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MOT wise its easy, find the flowchart, probably just needs the default cat test if you change it to petrol which being a modern engine should fly through.
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Sept 9, 2017 13:24:16 GMT
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So going for a 4 pot TDI conversion should be fine as it will still be a diesel smoke test then. (as long as VED doesnt change to the new engines band that is!).
What about change of fuel type to petrol? How could that work?
edit: ok thanks, posts overlapped.
I shall go speak to my MOT man in the week and see what he thinks...
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Last Edit: Sept 9, 2017 13:25:42 GMT by sausage
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Sept 9, 2017 15:11:51 GMT
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If you can fit the 1.8T under the bonnet why not go for the PD150? It's a better engine for road use tbh.
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Sept 9, 2017 15:28:23 GMT
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Hey I'm just tossing scenarios around at the 'mo regarding taxing it after any conversion, nothing is lined up yet. Also the curse word seller on Ebay has gone quiet and was feigning not getting my messages so more than likely not, i don't have a 2nd Lupo TDI anyway. But this still apllies to my current TDI, I will probably pop the engine by extracting silly BHP from the 3 pot and then plump for a conversion of some sort.
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Last Edit: Sept 9, 2017 15:33:57 GMT by sausage
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Sept 10, 2017 10:18:42 GMT
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I was always told that the VED class stayed with the engine. So if the engine is £220 a year for that car, it will be when the engine does into the new car.
The tax in your case could get more expensive in a nutshell.
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Sept 11, 2017 11:40:19 GMT
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I thought if you told DVLA about the engine change they changed the tax bracket accordingly? This is what I was told in regards to changing from a 1.4 to a 1.6 in my '94 Astra?
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Sept 12, 2017 8:28:48 GMT
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Pre 2001 Y plate are based on CC so your '94 astra would go from the less than 1549 cc to the greater than 1549 cc tax.
I'm talking about post 2001 cars in the different VED bands based on emissions.
Spoke to MOT man today about emissions at MOT time and he said diesel conversion no problem, petrol would be a definite problem.
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Sept 12, 2017 9:14:54 GMT
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I don't think MOT will be a problem at all, follow the flow charts and you get to a basic cat test, a 1.8t should fly that.
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Sept 12, 2017 9:44:28 GMT
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Have 2nd Lupo TDI now.
It would have to have a cat though for petrol yes?
4 pot TDI is looking the easier route all around unless they go nuts on the anti diesel bandwagon that seems to be looming with ever higher tax on fuel and VED bumps.
Electric ticks all the boxes for me but damn is that expensive to do (unless milk float).
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Last Edit: Sept 12, 2017 9:45:25 GMT by sausage
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Sept 12, 2017 10:23:08 GMT
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Ok I have the answer as I just phoned DVLA, it reverts to pre 2001 method of engine size under or over 1549 cc so £150 or £245.
Bottoms.
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Sept 12, 2017 10:33:20 GMT
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whats wrong with that? sounds fine to me.
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Sept 12, 2017 10:46:25 GMT
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Nothing wrong with it as long it's taken into account before doing a conversion. I'd rather wring 150HP from the 3 pot and pay £30 tax than get 200HP or so from a heavier 4 pot and pay £245 tax though.
if it was an older lupo based on CC then there is not such a big loss to consider.
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Last Edit: Sept 12, 2017 10:50:20 GMT by sausage
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Sept 12, 2017 11:03:52 GMT
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You're on about putting a tuned 1.8t in a Lupo and mithering about a couple of hundred quid road tax? That's got to be pretty much the least of your worries! Ignoring the cost of actually buying and fitting it, just your extra petrol costs over about 2000 miles will dwarf the road tax difference!
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