heathrobinson
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Apr 15, 2017 16:12:33 GMT
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I did something daft. The 30ft long, 6.2 diesel V8 and in need of work kind of daft. I bought a Winnibago, which was dirt cheap, as it had no reverse, and needs a fair bit of tidying up.
However, it turns out that it needs a fair bit more than that, but that's not my immediate problem... The original gearbox didn't have reverse, but as I tried driving it to a mate's farm to work on, it became apparent that it wasn't changing up either. I promptly changed the box, and gained the ability to go backwards, but it's still not changing up... 40mph is about the top speed it'll hit, and that's with the engine screaming along. Not an ideal way to travel the country! After a crash-coarse on 80s yank gearbox tech courtesy of mr youtube, I cleaned out and freed up the sticking governor, and have checked over and re-plumbed the vacuum system, and during the change of box I swapped the pre-cooler filter for a new one, and flushed the thing through with copious quantities of ATF. The kickdown switch isn't giving it 12v permanently. Still no gear change. I'm at a complete loss, and I have no idea what to be looking at now, and I should have been back on the other side of the country last week.
Anyone got any ideas? Any help would be greatly appreciated, the end of the tether rapidly approaches!
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heathrobinson
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Apr 15, 2017 16:17:31 GMT
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heathrobinson
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Apr 15, 2017 17:13:31 GMT
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Also checked the kickdown solenoid, that klicks away merrily when I feed it 12v.
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frag
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Apr 15, 2017 17:23:04 GMT
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I had a Chevy blazer with that engine (and I think same gearbox) or was it a 700r4 or somet ?
That had a T.V. Cable between throttle linkage on pump and gearbox. Adjustment of that affects kickdown and shift points.
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drdick
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Apr 15, 2017 17:39:33 GMT
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Th400 is all mechanical apart from the kickdown. You can probably ignore that because you have a shifting up problem. Shifts are mostly controlled by the modulator which is the can thing in the side of the box that the vacuum line connects to. If you go wide open throttle then the governer has to control the shift because there is no vacuum. You could try that to verify if the box works at all?
I don't know what sort of vacuum a diesel produces because I've never owned one but maybe you need a certain type of modulator? Where did your replacement box come from?
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drdick
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Apr 15, 2017 17:44:38 GMT
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If none of these boxes have been run for a long time the valves can stick in the body. Easily cleaned and unstuck. I have a rebuild manual for all GM boxes somewhere. It's very easy, i did a th350 in a bedroom with only basic tools and some circlip pliers.
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drdick
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Apr 15, 2017 17:49:46 GMT
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Apr 15, 2017 18:30:40 GMT
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Hi, I've used the engine before but not the gearbox, so I can make a few observations. If the box it vacuum controlled there's a vacuum control valve goes on the throttle shaft to regulate vacuum to the modulator unit. As the engine doesn't naturally produce vacuum you will need a vacuum pump and maybe a small reservoir to give the valve something to control. On other auto g/boxes like the Borg Warner the shift into top is controlled by a governor on the tailshaft and they can stick.
As an aside, if you're thinking about it, the Stanadyne pump is not keen on veg oil. At least mine wasn't it caused minor surging on a steady throttle.
Colin
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Apr 15, 2017 19:16:12 GMT
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Th400 boxes are normally regarded as pretty hardy behind a big v8 petrol - BUT did your replacement box come from another diesel? We had a dieselised merc that someone had left a auto petrol box on and it wouldn't change out of 1st gear, apparently on those the diesel box is very different.
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heathrobinson
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Thanks for the replies guys. frag, These have a solenoid-activated kickdown, no cables, and the solenoid's firing fine. drdick, I reckon you're on the money with the sticking valves, that's what I keep coming back to, both from what I hear and what I read on the tinterweb. I got the box from a guy who builds hotrods near Fleet, he certainly knew his onions, and was fitting this same engine and box into a pickup while I was there. This box came off the back of the same engine, and has the adjustable modulator, but from what I've read the modulator can only alter the shift point slightly, and with it the severity of the shift. The box should shift eventually even with it disconnected. colnerov, there's a big diaphragm pump at the back of the engine, which goes through a doohicky on the throttle shaft of the pump. this decreases the pressure to the modulator as the throttle opens, and I've had that apart and cleaned it, and it seems to be playing ball. I also had the governor out, and disassembled it as there was some curse word stuck in it causing it's little valve not to move. That's another thing pointing to sticky valves. I really reckoned that I'd flushed it pretty well, having spanked the best part of 25l through it for one reason or another, but I guess that there can still be curse word in the torque converter. The oil that came out of the old box was pretty lumpy and nasty. Another flush, and if that doesn't work a disassembly of the valve block seem in order. Cursed bank holidays don't make things easier though! I'm pretty certain that these boxes are the same whatever they're hooked up to dodgerover, it's just the bits and bobs that differ - final drive, speedo gear, modulator, and governor weighting. But this box shouldn't be needing any changes of these bits, as it came off a similar engine. I don't reckon I can hang around for another two days, so I might have to get it recovered and deal with it after my next job. Cheers for the thoughts guys
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Apr 17, 2017 15:25:07 GMT
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Am I right in thinking that I could have sat next to a recovery truck with this on near Horsham in the last few days? If not there's another one almost identical around here. I thought it looked great but a big project, my wife just sighed and shook her head and silently thanked God that we don't have a bigger driveway. Good luck with it though.
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heathrobinson
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Apr 17, 2017 17:26:42 GMT
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Yeah, that's the one! It had grills over the windows and loads of blacked out panes from use as a prison bus in a film, but it made it too gloomy inside so they've gone. It'll be great when it all works, and it was cheap enough to make it worthwhile, but there's more to do than how it was described!
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heathrobinson
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Apr 18, 2017 16:05:09 GMT
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drdick, is the manual you have hard copy, or digital? And do you know if I can drop the valve block with the box still on the car, or do I have to pull the box out to do that? Thanks
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drdick
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Apr 18, 2017 20:19:33 GMT
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drdick, is the manual you have hard copy, or digital? And do you know if I can drop the valve block with the box still on the car, or do I have to pull the box out to do that? Thanks It's hard copy I'm afraid and currently at my mates house but I could get it for you if you really want it. I would guess you can drop the valve body out but I'd be wary of doing that without checking a manual or something first because there are often balls and springs sandwiched between the two parts of the body and they could easily disappear......
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tim124
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Apr 19, 2017 21:56:37 GMT
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If it were mine, Id pick up a Daf45 truck with a cummins 6bt use the engine and the excellent ZF 5 speed box. They come with a Bosch fuel pump, hello cheap fuel! the boat anchor v8 and box could be sold to pay for it... Daf trucks can be picked up from £500 ...
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heathrobinson
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Apr 20, 2017 13:49:04 GMT
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It's a thought that's crossed my mind, but the likelihood of getting that done before festival season kicks off is slim to none, especially if I want to finish any of the other things I've got to do before then. It's very appealing though...
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mexicansteve
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Apr 20, 2017 14:03:53 GMT
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I am of no help but I would like to say that with the mean look it has you could star in an RV version of the film Duel.
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BeQuietandDrive
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