mht
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Feb 17, 2017 12:06:23 GMT
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Random RR request! I'm doing my dissertation and need one more male respondent born in 1990 who can give me 7 to 10 minutes over the phone to discuss their social media and motoring habits.
No personal information needed, if anyone can help please drop me a PM with your number and I'll give you call.
Many thanks
Mark
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Mark
1977 MG B 1992 Lexus LS400 1998 VW Golf VR6 1999 BMW 740i
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Feb 17, 2017 17:11:35 GMT
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Would help, but my dob is a month to early 😝 whats your the subject of your diss though mate? Sounds more interesting than my contractual law one, so boring that i have actually forgotten the question!
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Last Edit: Feb 17, 2017 17:12:06 GMT by s1105117
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mht
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 123
Club RR Member Number: 185
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Feb 18, 2017 14:20:42 GMT
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I'm working with a finance broker that focus on funding classic car purchases £25k+. They are worried that there is a lack of interest in the sector from millennials (born 1980 - 1996) which will impact the business in the next 15 years. I'm working to look at motoring trends of millennials, understand the reasons for a lack of interest and look at how the hobby can be marketed to the group.
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Mark
1977 MG B 1992 Lexus LS400 1998 VW Golf VR6 1999 BMW 740i
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BT
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Feb 18, 2017 14:25:34 GMT
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I'm just a few months too late for you otherwise I would have been glad to help.
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Feb 18, 2017 15:21:49 GMT
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I'm working with a finance broker that focus on funding classic car purchases £25k+. They are worried that there is a lack of interest in the sector from millennials (born 1980 - 1996) which will impact the business in the next 15 years. I'm working to look at motoring trends of millennials, understand the reasons for a lack of interest and look at how the hobby can be marketed to the group. I would not say its lack of interest that faces that age group , more priorities such as affordable housing and disposable income . Being born in 1980 is just afew years into the time when housing became quite unaffordable or a struggle for people . Classic cars are a luxury so will fall buy the wayside . Or people just save rather than use finance .
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mht
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Feb 18, 2017 15:58:38 GMT
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[/quote]I would not say its lack of interest that faces that age group , more priorities such as affordable housing and disposable income . Being born in 1980 is just afew years into the time when housing became quite unaffordable or a struggle for people . Classic cars are a luxury so will fall buy the wayside . Or people just save rather than use finance .[/quote] I wouldn't disagree with you there, but I think there are a few more additional factors which also come into play. There has been a feeling both in the US and the UK that millennials are not as interested in cars, classic or modern, as previous generations. As you say, disposable income is one factor but this is also an age group that is doing everything later than previous generations so I don't think it is true, I think it is more an issue of car purchases being later. The average age of the first time mother in the UK is getting older and a research by a Dutch university did a study to say that parenthood is a trigger for those who do not own a car to buy one. Additionally there is a general lack of knowledge about classic cars in millennials (obviously not as cultured as RR members ) and this leads to a feeling that classic cars (those older than 20 years old)** are unreliable and parts are expensive and difficult to source. Some respondents have said they'd be interested in buying a classic later in life but have no idea about what they would buy and are generally uninformed on the subject - there's a huge knowledge gap and to the casual motorist classics are a bit mystical. ** I've discussed what makes a classic car a classic car over about three pages and created my own definition, but 20 years+ is the simplest metric.
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Mark
1977 MG B 1992 Lexus LS400 1998 VW Golf VR6 1999 BMW 740i
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Feb 18, 2017 16:08:58 GMT
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Yes i understand there are many many factors . I suppose things like childhood memories come into it a lot . Fathers repairing cars , cars being special , having more involvement rather than just jumping in them and getting out . And the fact i think a lot more men do white collar jobs and always have done , and are alienated to anything practical .
Anyway good luck with it .
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Feb 18, 2017 16:30:11 GMT
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Sounds an j teresting topic to be fair! To fund the outragous vosts of legal trainkng i worked at Tesco (for 5 years 😣) and there was always a huge amount of peeps born around 1993-1997, a the lack of car interest was huge, out of say 50 i would put it at 3 that were into cars at all, and 2 of thise were only modern cars. I huess there are many factors, the car is much more of a disposable/easily achievable comodity than it was even 15 years ago, and finance stuff etc, and i agree emotions/memories play a big part too. Anyway, good luck with it, interesting! (Still cant remember my diss question, was only 2 years ago!)
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Feb 18, 2017 23:29:52 GMT
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Yes i understand there are many many factors . I suppose things like childhood memories come into it a lot . Fathers repairing cars , cars being special , having more involvement rather than just jumping in them and getting out. Strangely, even though a good percentage of people assume I'm from a farming family, my dad has always had 'white collar' jobs and isn't in any way mechnically minded, nor really into cars. My Uncles -who I saw fairly infrequently- Land Rovers caught my interest, and I think did a lot to spark the interest in cars and engineering in general, as I do remember engineering being something I wanted to get into from an early age. I'd also say I'm fairly uncommon in my generation and younger (I'm 31 b1985 to.save working it out) to have learned to be a 'proper' mechanic and have the skills and knowledge to work with points, distributors, carbs etc as the place I served my time dealt with quite a few classics, whilst I have a few other older mates who have taught me a lot about old school engineering. It's an interest/passion I've had for a lot of years, but you're right, the inspiration isn't anywhere near as prevalent now. I have a neighbour like that. An accountant of some description, both he and wife have a new car -On drip- every four years, goes out running/cycling/the gym etc, polishes the grass perhaps twice a week between march/November and hovers round behind the dog with a shovel ready to catch it's ablutions before they hit the ground. I'm quite certain I'm thought less of because I go to work in overalls, and whilst I don't really care it is quite amusing to think that he has previously come asking for opinions on wether the garage has done a proper job on his car when they had it in for work and it came out making a funny noise. Back to the point being made, some encouragement in schools to make jobs on the tools an attractive and viable prospect in life would also help. I recall high school being very much a case of everyone being encouraged to do well in their exams, go to University and get a degree so you could get a fancy high paid job. Practical subjects (woodwork etc) were pretty neutered, and once you got into what would have been '6th form' they were pretty much all theory/paperwork. Those who didn't have that prospect weren't exactly sidelined, but there did seem that bit less drive to encourage them do anything useful with their lives, and quite a few who dropped out at 16 never really bothered to do anything with their lives. I realise it's heading off on a bit of a tangent, but maybe helps highlight where the trend is coming from?
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some encouragement in schools to make jobs on the tools an attractive and viable prospect in life
I agree with this point in a major way!
The direction of education isnt wide enough, especially at a younger age. if at a young age children experience real, tangible engjneering it could really spark an interest, or at least create the oppertunity. If an interest is sparked, and then developed properly into a real talent it would surely only be a benefit to all concerned.
besides We cant all be trainee community distribution assistants 😀
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I think the practical side is being pushed now that they have realised what skill shortages we have . I am 37 and everyone at school was being pushed for university . Yo wee written off if you did not want to do that , teachers effectively ignoring you . By the time i was 20 people i know building were earning a fortune as they were just no young lads around to fill the jobs , as well as all the others trades .
I'm glad now that apprenticeships have been recognised as a great way into a career - not just tradional trades but for white coller jobs as well . I know plenty of people that left school at 18 and have got great jobs by working at the bottom . A good few being on enough money to buy a decent first house by 23-25 whilst they univeristy opposites are just getting there first job .
We need all sorts of employment and I'm glad itsbeing seen as such now if we want our country to be successful .
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fad
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Feb 19, 2017 10:12:58 GMT
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Cost of motoring is a big factor I would imagine too. I'm a 1982 child, and cars were cool. Now cars are bad and killing the planet and laws on them are getting tighter and tighter. Young folk would seem to prefer sitting on thier smart phones and rubbing one out over Lady Beiber or whoever tgese days rather than getting dirty hands. Image is everything now, cant look cool in scruffy oil stained jeans , dirty hands and sporting an oil 'tache.
From what I hear from yoofs I am forced to share personal space with on the bus on my way to work they are all "propa gangsta" and "gonna be massive" and are waiting for the "big break" the likes of Talent Factor and all that garbage promises. Not many willing to spin spanners or commit to anything.
#grumpyoldman LOL
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lae
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Feb 20, 2017 16:08:16 GMT
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I was born in 1987 so a bit older than required, but here are my thoughts anyway.
Obviously I am into cars, but in the last 3-4 years I have decided to stick to entirely practical vehicles due to financial reasons.
Firstly my partner and I are pretty outdoorsy so need a car that'll handle trips to the Highlands or over to Wales most weekends. My mk1 Focus was a good compromise between purchase price and running costs, and it is faultlessly reliable. In fact if you are willing to do a bit of DIY it's probably about as cheap as motoring can get. For me it's simply cheaper and more practical than most classics. For reference I do about 15k a year in it.
Of course practicality is not a problem if you have a daily modern and a classic for the weekends. But again it ultimately comes down to finances. But not running costs - classic car insurance on a second vehicle is peanuts, tax is often free, and repairs should be DIY of course). The financial burden is due to space. We intentionally live in a very walkable city and bought a house about 10 minutes out of the centre. Our work, shops, entertainment, and future schools are all within 15 minutes walk, or less on a bicycle. We've chosen to live here because driving, parking, traffic etc in British towns and cities is such a chore (ironically because our towns and cities are not well set up to cater for pedestrians and cyclists and our public transport is a bit pants). So our financial objection is not the cost of running a classic car itself, but the cost of storing it - the cost of a house with a driveway or a garage in a city centre location is astronomical. I can accept the £80/yr parking permit for our first car, but the cost for a second car absolutely skyrockets.
For balance we lived in NZ for four years, in a town of about 100,000 people on the rather rural South Island. Youths there are much more into their cars than in the UK, partly I think because it's a car-dependent country ('no public transport' really does mean no public transport), but mainly because property is cheap and nearly every house has off-road parking for at least one vehicle, and usually 2-3. The flip side of this is that the city centre is set up for motorists at the detriment of anything else. This might sound great but once you've lived in a town bisected by a 4-lane highway, or had to drive across town just for a pint of milk, you'll come to appreciate how great pedestrianisation and cycle lanes actually are.
I do also think the decline in industry has something to do with it. The 80s aspiration to city-slicking yuppie is still very much alive, even if a trade gives a well-paid and secure career. In fact this is now an intergenerational aspiration - your dad won't be teaching you how to DIY because he doesn't know himself! Again NZ is more rural and hands-on, so people can pass their knowledge and passion down the generations.
Maybe the shift towards sharing and 'experiences' rather than private ownership (zipcar, airbnb, co-working spaces) will mean young people will turn to speciality car hire rather than actually owning a car themselves. I have rented a few classics to scratch my itch - a weekend trip in convertible 60s Mustang is my 30th birthday present to myself in the autumn.
That was a long post!
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Last Edit: Feb 20, 2017 16:15:07 GMT by lae
Currently: Mk1 Focus blandmobile
Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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sb
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Feb 20, 2017 16:42:49 GMT
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I'm born 93 and happy to help. PM me if that works for you.
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