93fxdl
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sounds ridiculous imho, it's just another crusade against the motorist.
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its the express, also were getting 6ft of snow and 45*c summer temps.
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scrapage to returnMercdan68
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My diesel mercs going nowhere ,as clarkson has said in a couple of years the experts will be saying they got it wrong
And diesels are fine.....s*d going into London anyway, born in the city and lived there for years, I hate
the place...for now I can use my diesel in Kent so that suits me fine
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Last Edit: Feb 6, 2017 20:16:25 GMT by Mercdan68
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1993 ford escort
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A few months back I went into a main dealer (vauxhall i think) to chat about some car or another with a mate, and they had an 02 focus on a plinth outside with a sign emblazond on the side of "WE PAID 2000 FOR THIS SCRAP CAR!" now i checked the plate history (you would have thought the would remove it??) And it came back as just out of ticket but no advisories for three years! Bodywork was scratched, but i have a sneaking suspision that that was because someone at the dealer had scratched it so as to make it look more 'scrap-like'. Anyway, when in side i enquired as to its fate, looked worth a punt! Anywaybi was told in no uncertain terms "thats a scrappage car mate,absolutely no chance it has to be scrapped!" When i said that the scrappy sells cars, and i thought scrappage was long gone. i was told well its the scheme, and thats that. What a waste of a car, and the enviornment!
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A few months back I went into a main dealer (vauxhall i think) to chat about some car or another with a mate, and they had an 02 focus on a plinth outside with a sign emblazond on the side of "WE PAID 2000 FOR THIS SCRAP CAR!" now i checked the plate history (you would have thought the would remove it??) And it came back as just out of ticket but no advisories for three years! Bodywork was scratched, but i have a sneaking suspision that that was because someone at the dealer had scratched it so as to make it look more 'scrap-like'. Anyway, when in side i enquired as to its fate, looked worth a punt! Anywaybi was told in no uncertain terms "thats a scrappage car mate,absolutely no chance it has to be scrapped!" When i said that the scrappy sells cars, and i thought scrappage was long gone. i was told well its the scheme, and thats that. What a waste of a car, and the enviornment! think i'd have shouted Bullplop to them. just cannot deal with any hard sell, they push i walk. |
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93fxdl
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The diesel scheme looks to be centered around London, where the diesel is being named as the spawn of Satan and the cause of all the problems in the world, at least one area is going to charge extra for parking diesel vehicles, Plus many get hammered by the LEZ.
The Vauxhall scheme is just a discount scam.
Ttfn Glenn
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To be fair the air quality in London is appalling and the large volume of fairly stationary diesel vehicles are a large contributor to that (as is the near non-stop building works going on). This is a way of starting to tackle that, but I'm sure there are others. Other ways of solving it would probably be prohibitively expensive overall, I guess.
Not sure how many scrappage diesels they will get though, at least outside of works vans etc.
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and diesels are only as popular as they are (just over 50% of all car sales) because for 30 years the government has been tellng us that "ecological" means getting down the road as frugally on fuel as possible, and therefore all petrol cars are the spawn of satan because they used 2 or 3 times as much energy to do it.
now petrol cars have nothing but rabits tears coming out the exhaust and diesel particulates are giving baby harry lung disease down oxford street
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Last Edit: Feb 7, 2017 12:52:33 GMT by darrenh
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Arguably, I reckon it could actually be of benefit to some existing owners.
A lot of the older diesels with expensive dual mass flywheels, pumps, injectors etc cost an absolute fortune to fix. I had a 54-plate 2.2 Honda diesel with 160k on the clock and it was basically scrap due to a timing chain issue. Of course, you're into forking out for a new car then, but 2k for it might have definitely have cheered my boss up when it came to getting a replacement.
Are there any old classic diesels that might die a death as a result? Not too sure, really.
I can't see anyone chopping in anything that decent as diesels by their nature take a beating, but you never know. Personally, if it goes ahead I can just see fields of old VW, Vauxhall and Ford diesels!
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To be fair the air quality in London is appalling and the large volume of fairly stationary diesel vehicles are a large contributor to that (as is the near non-stop building works going on). This is a way of starting to tackle that, but I'm sure there are others. Other ways of solving it would probably be prohibitively expensive overall, I guess. Not sure how many scrappage diesels they will get though, at least outside of works vans etc. This is very true, last month during a cold high pressure period, the air pollution was worse than Beijing which really is saying something... The fact that buses, lorries and off highway construction vehicles pump out way more than cars is a political issue. Previously encouraging people to buy diesels due to lower CO2 emissions may not have been the best idea with hindsight, but not even politicians have that. Unless you drive your old diesel into London/Birmigham/Manchester it really shouldn't concern you, if you are affected buy a petrol car. The reality of it is that something has to be done. If I had my way, I'd tax bloated SUVs off the road, or at least try to. Any engine that has to lug 2+ tonnes of unnecessary weight around will be polluting, whatever fuel it uses. We should be encouraged to drive small petrol cars, and not necessarily new ones. However, I don't have the lobbying power of a multinational car firm, so no doubt we'll be encouraged to buy new things with batteries made from exotic materials mined from all over the world. [/rant] |
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To be fair the air quality in London is appalling and the large volume of fairly stationary diesel vehicles are a large contributor to that (as is the near non-stop building works going on). This is a way of starting to tackle that, but I'm sure there are others. Other ways of solving it would probably be prohibitively expensive overall, I guess. Not sure how many scrappage diesels they will get though, at least outside of works vans etc. This is very true, last month during a cold high pressure period, the air pollution was worse than Beijing which really is saying something... The fact that buses, lorries and off highway construction vehicles pump out way more than cars is a political issue. Previously encouraging people to buy diesels due to lower CO2 emissions may not have been the best idea with hindsight, but not even politicians have that. Unless you drive your old diesel into London/Birmigham/Manchester it really shouldn't concern you, if you are affected buy a petrol car. The reality of it is that something has to be done. If I had my way, I'd tax bloated SUVs off the road, or at least try to. Any engine that has to lug 2+ tonnes of unnecessary weight around will be polluting, whatever fuel it uses. We should be encouraged to drive small petrol cars, and not necessarily new ones. However, I don't have the lobbying power of a multinational car firm, so no doubt we'll be encouraged to buy new things with batteries made from exotic materials mined from all over the world. [/rant] My hatred of the 'SUV' knows no bounds, but I'm yet to figure out a way to separate then from legitimately useful 4x4s or off road vehicles. Because nobody should own one, they serve no useful purpose and make our roads worse. Also I would ban all private vehicles from zone 2, they serve no use. |
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There should be stipulations on this. As in
Must have been registered in certain postcode, to the same Person, for a stipulated amount to of time or you will end up with all sorts of folks trading in for the allowance...
Know a few folks that bought scrappers for trading in.... just for the cash return....
Affraif there is always someone wanting to play the system......
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What,where, why....
It ain't broken... hold on....
now broken so rip it appart and fix it...
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I hate how they try to make it an environmental issue. Let us crush your perfectly working car to buy a car that causes twice the pollution to make and has half the lifespan.
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Only dogs go for new cars, real cars have rust!
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i read a while ago that the worlds largest natural source of lithium brines is in south americas, that will be interesting geopolitical issue in future
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Just nuke London, problem solved...
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I hate how they try to make it an environmental issue. Let us crush your perfectly working car to buy a car that causes twice the pollution to make and has half the lifespan. And the majority of them are plugged into polluting power stations to charge back up. I read on another forum they're also blaming the rise in wood burning stoves for the pollution in London so who do you believe. |
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I hate how they try to make it an environmental issue. Let us crush your perfectly working car to buy a car that causes twice the pollution to make and has half the lifespan. And the majority of them are plugged into polluting power stations to charge back up. I read on another forum they're also blaming the rise in wood burning stoves for the pollution in London so who do you believe. So I thought this too about electric vehicles but every report Ive read that has actually done research on the topic finds manufacturing and running electric cars is better over a life time than petrol for pollution. |
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Has anyone read the link? The suggestion is that the scheme will be money off electric cars, so unlikely to include vans etc.
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And the majority of them are plugged into polluting power stations to charge back up. I read on another forum they're also blaming the rise in wood burning stoves for the pollution in London so who do you believe. So I thought this too about electric vehicles but every report Ive read that has actually done research on the topic finds manufacturing and running electric cars is better over a life time than petrol for pollution. I'm not as anti- electric vehicles as many are but as they haven't been in mainstream use for more than 2-3 years, this can only be really theoretical research. Having said that, something needs to be done to get older buses off cleaned up. They can often be seen pumping out horrible plumes of black (and smelly) smoke, plus they run all day when most cars are parked up causing no pollution whatsoever. I'll stop now before I launch into my whole public transport manifesto. as a penance have a retro electric car:-  |
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