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What are the current rules surrounding engine swaps?
Do I have to do anything special aside from declare it on the v5 for the purposes of an mot?
I heard I have to prove the car it came from somehow along with evidence it was fitted by a competent person..
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Don't think you need evidence of competency, just a report (if necessary for insurance) to say it has been fitted correctly (an MOT would suffice for this). As long as you can prove you've paid for the engine and have an engine number there's no problem really.
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When I fitted a 2.0 16v engine from a mk5 Escort RS2000 into my mk1 Escort 1.3, I just sent off the log book to the DVLA with a print out of the brake test from the MOT station and a covering letter.In return i had a new log book with 2.0L. They didn't even bother to change the engine number. My mate did the same but he claimed there was no number on the engine so his log book now says no engine number recorded.
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Is this not a circle here.. DVLA need an MOT to say the engine swap is safe, do the MOT need the correct engine size logged in order to pass?
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No they don't need it, all they need the engine size for is for the emissions. It's not on the certificate.
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ianw
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When I changed from a 1600cc to a 2000cc in my Corsa I just sent the logbook off with the new capacity and the new engine number and got a new logbook back. Tax bracket was the same so that never changed.
The engine pre-dated CAT's so wasn't required on the MOT after that (this was back in 2006 though so might have changed now).
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sal
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I've recently had issues with this after changing the engine in my car.
I sent v5 away with a covering letter explaining what I had done and that donor engine was removed from an identical car that was also registered in my name. I supplied engine numbers and a copy of the v5 for donor vehicle.
DVLA requested proof of purchase of the replacement engine and a report from RAC/AA or from a garage on headed paper to state that vehicle had been inspected by a competent person and engine was correctly installed. There was no mention of an mot being sufficient for this purpose.
This was last year and I've not followed up on it. I'll be able to sort out what they need but just a heads up on what they currently expect you to provide.
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The MOT is sufficient to state the vehicle is roadworthy, this includes a check of the fuel system, exhaust system and the wiring under the bonnet now.
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bortaf
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I've recently had issues with this after changing the engine in my car. I sent v5 away with a covering letter explaining what I had done and that donor engine was removed from an identical car that was also registered in my name. I supplied engine numbers and a copy of the v5 for donor vehicle. DVLA requested proof of purchase of the replacement engine and a report from RAC/AA or from a garage on headed paper to state that vehicle had been inspected by a competent person and engine was correctly installed. There was no mention of an mot being sufficient for this purpose. This was last year and I've not followed up on it. I'll be able to sort out what they need but just a heads up on what they currently expect you to provide. Open publisher, create an invoice for fitment of the engine from a garage (garage doesn't need to actually exist) and job done, DVLA don't allways ask but can and often do. |
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scimjim
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I've recently had issues with this after changing the engine in my car. I sent v5 away with a covering letter explaining what I had done and that donor engine was removed from an identical car that was also registered in my name. I supplied engine numbers and a copy of the v5 for donor vehicle. DVLA requested proof of purchase of the replacement engine and a report from RAC/AA or from a garage on headed paper to state that vehicle had been inspected by a competent person and engine was correctly installed. There was no mention of an mot being sufficient for this purpose. This was last year and I've not followed up on it. I'll be able to sort out what they need but just a heads up on what they currently expect you to provide. Open publisher, create an invoice for fitment of the engine from a garage (garage doesn't need to actually exist) and job done, DVLA don't always ask but can and often do. I had exactly the same response from DVLA. I just sent an invoice on my company headed paper (didn't mention anything about an inspection just supply and fit) and after chasing it up (paperwork was found in the "in tray" of someone who had been off sick for several months) I eventually got a V5 back with new engine details. General consensus seemed to be that it required more scrutiny because I'd changed the VED bracket (1600 down to 1300). |
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sal
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Bortaf and Scimjim. That's the way I intend to go to get records updated. Car is currently sorn so I'll get it all done before it goes back on road.
Re the mot. I'm not saying that it won't be accepted as verification by dvla but it wasn't one of the options that they gave me on their letter. Have you had an engine change verified in this way?
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Yes, I did an engine conversion on an old RS2000 mk5 of mine for the 2.3 and a zetec conversion on a friends mk2 fiesta. Both where sent for MOT and just the details changed on the V5C, I never got anything back from the DVLA apart from the new V5C.
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sal
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Yes, I did an engine conversion on an old RS2000 mk5 of mine for the 2.3 and a zetec conversion on a friends mk2 fiesta. Both where sent for MOT and just the details changed on the V5C, I never got anything back from the DVLA apart from the new V5C. Was this done recently? That being the case I'll mot along with a covering letter. |
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The Fiesta about 5 years ago, my escort was about 12 though.
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bortaf
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Bortaf and Scimjim. That's the way I intend to go to get records updated. Car is currently sorn so I'll get it all done before it goes back on road. Re the mot. I'm not saying that it won't be accepted as verification by dvla but it wasn't one of the options that they gave me on their letter. Have you had an engine change verified in this way? I use the letter method as i often do engine conversions at work, i do the swap then MOT the vehical, then if the DVLA ask for more paperwork after the owner has updated his V5 i provide the paperwork, i often do it for people who walk in and ask me about it after they have done thier own engine swap, and no i don't do it unless i've seen the vehical and it at least looks like a decent job, it takes under 10 mins to knock up an invoice on publisher and TBH i doubt DVLA even read it, when i do my own engine swaps i am the vehical owner the mechanic and the garage owner named on the paperwork and they have never pulled me up on it, they seem to (lke most official agencys) love a paper trail. I've never met an MOT tester who will put his name to anything other than the MOT for the test fee, OK they will verify the engine and chassis nuumber but other than that ? |
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sal
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The Fiesta about 5 years ago, my escort was about 12 though. These regulations have come into effect in the last year or two so we're not in place when you've changed engines. I'll do as advised by bortaf and get it in order. Cheers. |
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Ryannn
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My brother did this last year. Sent off the new engine engine number on the log book. DVLA then asked for confirmation from a mechanic that the engine was what he was saying so I got my mate to write a letter from his business.
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