Paul Y
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Strange as it may seem, considering my current situation, I keep finding myself drawn to the W108. Probably because I need want a comfy cruiser. Simple. Clean. Low. Plan would be something along the lines of import W108 from Cape Town when I go and visit the outlaws in April. Apply Bags. Insert LS and 4l80e Enjoy. So... one of these or a W114/5. Please feel free to shoot me down in flames/praise me to the stars. Over to you. Boom. P.
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Rich G
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If you can get a good one at the right price I'd go for it!
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Paul Y
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What is the right price Rich? And what are the danger areas to look out for. My bro in law has found a rather nice W108 in Green for me in the Cape for about £3k - problem is I haven't got £3k at the moment! P.
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Om606 and proper asthma pump....got to be done....
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Rich G
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Ah, money... why is it the cars always appear at what seems to be a good price when you're skint?
Don't know what a good price would be for a W108 now; perhaps check out eBay or the ads in Classic & Sportscar for what one would cost here then add the shipping from Cape Town plus duties this end and compare?
Many years ago my father in law had a beautiful low mileage W126 280SE that I could have had at a very good price (resplendent in metallic bronze with biscuit leather interior) but it was a choice between that or double glazing for the house - the house won. :-(
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brc76
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I run one as my daily, I'd go for it.
They rot. Screen surrounds, arches, sills, headlight bowls.
prices are extremely variable. I paid $2K for mine, some people want $25-30K for the same car.
Prices do seem to be the same on either side of the Atlantic, or not a million miles out.
They just are not that loved for some reason. A w114/5 is a large car, rot just as much, just as wafty.
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Dez
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Musing on a W108Dez
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i know both chassis well, so here is my recommendations.
w114/115 bag easier than w108. they have 'proper' independent rear whereas 108 are a odd swing axle setup with the spring over the diff, which runs into issues with cantilevering bags and not much clearance to get to lay out. front end is largely the same, they share quite a few parts, major different is 115 is balljoint, whereas 108 still has what most people would identify as a trunnion/king and link setup. the bagging of both is well documented online, but beware 'muricans who do stupid stuff like running without shocks- they're like a pogo stick if you do this. they're pretty tight on space for the bags at both ends, and you have to relocate the rear shocks, but the chassis side can be made to just bolt on. i favour modifying the lower arms to maximise space but some people do it without.
neither chassis engine swaps well. the subframe shape and steering layout leaves little room, meaning a very specific sump shape is needed. both chassis are fairly narrow, even factory stock RHD cars struggle for exhaust space. LHD cars fare much better. there also various protrusions in the engine bay such as the M/C and the bulkhead braces on 6cyl cars. also neither rear end is particularly strong meaning little point in adding power, or needing to chop and change so much youre risking losing the cars identity.
as noted above, they rot. boy do they rot, and they hide it well under factory polyurethane underfloor protection too. its not uncommon to see cars needing most of the firewall replacing, plus all the usual sills, door bottoms, floors, front wings, rear inner and outer arches, lower rear 1/4s and valances. 115 are better catered for than 108 when it comes to replacement panels. that said, the price of replacement metal pales compared to the price of replacement trim and interior parts. bumpers are particularly difficult and expensive to located for both models. everything in the UK tends to be massively overpriced, you really need contacts in europe (especially netherlands and germany) where theres a lot more things available, and they're half the price.
id be really wary of buying a shiny, freshly painted one at strong money, id much rather buy a scruffier one with old, honest paint for less and leave a good chunk of the budget to remedy any hidden rot. as a first timer with no experience of the models, id say youre going to likey be better off with a 115 than a 108, as theres more parts backup if and when you run into trouble.
don't let it sound like I'm running them down, I'm really not- i love both models but especially 115 and i only sold mine to finance a shoebox. its jsut out of all the cars you could buy, they're one of the ones you have to tread most carefully with!
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Last Edit: Oct 7, 2016 23:26:07 GMT by Dez
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Paul Y
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Thanks Dez, that is just the advice I was looking for. As I said, just musing at the moment. Prices in SA seem to be fairly 'promising'. The one that BIL sent details on has been sat In a garage in the Transkei for the past 22years so appears to be a solid, original old thing but as a) I am 6000 miles,away and b) £3000 short of the asking price, it will not be making its way to PY towers... Are the V8 flavoured versions easier to engine swap or are they pretty much all the same? Good shout on the suspension, maybe a w114/5 would be more sensible, if there is such a thing when it comes to old cars.... Think this may end up being an unrequited love, but still nice to dream. P.
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brc76
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W114 also rust just as much if not more! I had a coupe that rotted between the bulkhead and the heater intake, that pretty much decided the car was done, when looked at all the other "issues"
The shock over spring in the w114 limits the air ride a little, but you have to make offset plates for a w108 to locate the bags.
Engine wise, in the w108 you have the M129 / M130 straight sixes, 3.5 and 4.5 V8's, that offer more torque for extra wafty, but they are not hot rods! The W114's have the option later in life for twin cam engines, but no V8s from the factory.
One thing that may be worth mentioning is that the stacked headlights may be more practical for daily, as the prettier tombstone units can be very expensive to replace if damaged.
Mercedes will supply all parts, just a matter of money, and how long that you'd have to wait until they make more if not in stock. I managed to get a complete sunroof rebuild kit from Mercedes in 2 days from order for my L-plated 280CE for reasonable money a few years ago.
I'm swapping in a M104 24valve engine from a 300SL into my W108, getting my self ready for that, but I'm working with LHD here so slightly less problematic than the UK
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